Can Kids Consent to Hormone Blockers?

The difference is I ask direct questions that don’t include a bunch of nonsense.

Now we’ve come to the gaslight portion of the discussion where you pretend gender affirming care doesn’t include surgery.

Like trans kids being created by "trendiness".
That's some real galaxy brain shit there.

Something, something, strawman.

Confused prepubescent kids that think they’re their trans because it’s a popular thing right now and adults are more than willing to go along with this so they see it as a way to gain attention.

How about lesbians, gays, and bis?
Does it work for them too?

All lies yet again.

I wouldn’t be surprised if some transgender people were just gay boys who liked to play dress up then were put on puberty blockers and transitioned. I mean you do see a lot of transgender women who are attacked to men.

So says the guy who is so experienced he makes sammiches at a virginia subway.

Ah, so gay is carved in stone, but not trans?
Can straight boys be "groomed" into gay?

You could probably put it in your signature, the all you have to do is quote it, then post reply without having to type anything at all.

Evidently not since FF's mom and dad have always been pushing him to be a trendy trans girl and suck some dick. Maybe considering all the trauma FF's mom killed herself because he was such a loser cishet whiteboi. Given his pathological hate of the GLBT community for being trendy and much more loved by their parents and society it might actually be the source of his hate that his mom always wanted a little trans black girl.

I think we might have had a breakthrough in our internet shrinking of the boy's psychological dysfunction.

Trans children are trying not to be ostracized, used as political pawns, or rejected by their parents. @Uncle Albert and @Bill Carson really truly care about them, though, so much that they will do exactly that and deny who they are in an effort to protect them, much like Christian fundamentalists trying to protect the children by denying women the right to abortion.

Remember, folks, it's never actually about the kids, it's about power and control. No one has any rights not bequeathed upon them by conservative, cisgender, heterosexual white men who think the old days were the best ways.

It is so crazy to think that somehow trans kids are coming out as trans because everyone loves them and gives them positive attention. It is also completely nuts to think parents are out there hoping their kids are trans. GLBT is something parents accept. They do not dream about it. There are people all over the country trying openly to abuse and torture trans kids in school, and somehow these idiots think there is anything other than loving yourself that comes from coming out?

There was one place a while ago that there was a positive reception to crossdressing, and that was anime cons. You know what happened when guys started doing it to get attention? Yeah, the extra attention stopped. I used to not be able to walk around quickly because of hugs and pictures. I actually toned down my costumes because I wanted to get places. Now I get the occasional comment like anyone in a costume.

Back int he day a friend of mine was really into counter culture punk things. His dad asked me because I was the normal one in the group ( I had not come out yet) how he could get his son to cool out a bit and get a job. I told his dad to encourage him and support his freakish behavior by trying to get him to seriously become someone in the scene. Next thing you know kid got serious and started to get more professional including having a style that could fit a tech professional life if done one way, and could go do the band thing on his own time. He actually moved up to Burlington and is producing now.

The right is such a bunch of lying sacks. What they are saying runs counter to everything we see. Do we really see parents dreaming of GLBT children? Despite the reality that there is a popular black music culture of fame and money we do not see people running out to have black babies because they are the preferred color for success. But people like federal fuckup and uncle useless tell us that black people are all the rage now, and everyone hates white males.

It is such a lie.

Indeed. One of the reasons I haven't openly started transitioning yet is because I would likely see the worst end of a shotgun if I stepped outside looking how I truly want to look. It's not for attention, it's not to be liked, and it's not like I have any control over how people perceive me, because their minds have already been poisoned with the idea I'm coming after their kids. I just want to exist, openly and freely, without being shot, stabbed, beaten up, locked in prison, or segregated to places where I'd rather not be.

It is the same struggle so many other marginalized groups have faced and still face to this day. Cisgender, white, heterosexual men will always force the conversation to center on them, so that instead of being about what trans folks can do to secure our rights, it becomes about conservative white assholes being angry because they're uncomfortable with our existence. People like @Uncle Albert and @Bill Carson will always find a new fig leaf. Right now it's children, but it could be anything: freedom, patriotism, God, guns, glory, "protecting our women" (a favorite among bigots like the KKK and the Nazis), whatever the fuck they want it to be, and they will always come up with a new reason when the old one is found to be hollow.

It's why I don't debate them. They don't have reasoned positions, they have a bigoted center with a coating of "reason" to protect them. That's all.

It is a lie normal people tell themselves that people dress freaky for their attention. This is beyond trans. How full of yourself do you have to be to think you present yourself how you want for attention when the attention you get from assholes is overwhelmingly negative? It is the same idea that women dress sexy because they want you.

The reality is I would love to dress the way I want and be invisible. Maybe drag queens want attention because they are performing. Trans women are not drag queens. I do it because I want to see me that way. That is also why I really only dress up and in clothing no normal woman wears. I used to try buying clothing normal women wear, but since I am never going to please normal women, normal men, or anyone but myself because you cannot please picky fucking humans, I dress in what the fuck I want to.

This idea trans people just want attention is this lie that idiots tell to demonize trans people as attention whores. There are kardashians out there, and some trans people are. However, most trans people just want to blend. Just like they just want to go to the bathroom without incident.

Maybe it is projection from performative men like UA who used to have a jeep because he thought that made him manly. These right wing men are so performative in their masculinity. You have to drive a big dick of a car. You have to have a big dick of a gun. You have to live in the woods and eat bark. You have to beat each other up and be able to throw a piano into a second story window. You have to have that scraggly ass bears and a mustache that looks like an animal died on your face while you were eating it. You have to tan your testicles because men used to be in the sun all day before clothing or something.

Just do not give me that you are tough when you bought your manhood in the bass pro shop attached to the mall. Yes, you dress in guy styles, but let us remove tough from masculinity because I know how you guys are in the woods and when pain is involved.

I find this thread has grown tiresome. Would you like to touch my monkey?

We could talk about how you feel giving everyone a gun makes us all safe, but you are already not answering how the facts show you are a guntard.

The NRA grooms children.
They need to be driven out of public life, and Wayne LaPierre denied access to business until he commits suicide.

This is inaccurate because it's not just "their" doctors. An adverse benefit determination can still be made by a Medicaid staff doctor, as long as they're in the field.

As a matter of course, nobody (who matters) is. There will be exceptions, and that's why it's important not to make spite bans. No one wants 3rd trimester abortions to happen, but banning them leads to women (and the baby) dying, or nearly dying, of eclampsia and infections.

What part of the 14th amendment makes you so angry? Is it the equality before the law thing? I bet it's the equality before the law thing.

It's a matter of equal rights. So long as top surgery is available to cis minors, there's no reason it shouldn't be available to trans minors, on the same terms. If it happens to be easier for it to be determined medically necessary for trans minors, so be it, but I'd wager there are a a lot more top surgeries done on cis minors than trans minors.

That wasn't the question.

You talked about effects of the treatment not being acknowledged.

What effects?

You are leading him again to another lie. The effects of the hormone blockers and the hormones are the very thing the patient is asking for and desires. It is portrayed by the right wing as something they are tricked into or some side effect that damages them, but the reality is that the people who desire this need to ask repeatedly for it and go through a lot to get it especially when they are children.

The crazy of the right wing idiot is that they think the kids are not really enthusiastic and happy to get it. This shit is not being given to those objecting to the treatment.

Another idiocy of the right is the obgvious assumption that this shit happens right away and is immediately permanent. Hormones take years to reach their end results. After a year of taking female hormones you do not have size double D breasts. Yes, the effects do happen, but they happen over time. This is why to compete in a fair way trans women should have been continually treated with T blockers and female hormones for at least two years if they have gone through some puberty. That does not mean you should not play the game recreationally, but it does take time for your body to become more of the gender you should be from taking the hormones.

The idiots on the right like UA and FF seem to think you take a pill and in a day your dick falls off, you have breasts, but for some reason you still have the muscles of a man. Even their own fantasy contradicts itself by pretending only the effecxts they want happen. This is because they have done absolutely no research on the time and effects of the treatments. They do not even seem to know the reality the operation is actually a very small, but expensive, partt of the process when you consider the time involved.

If you have undergone puberty it takes years to get the effects. Even guys don't start growing full beards and full muscles for years. It takes a trans man a while to get good growth from the stories I have heard. Boobs don't just come out of nowhere, but guys wouldn't know that because they do not get to see girl's chests while developing.

Treans people are not magically creating the gender characteristics of the gender they are changing to. This is a long time of development where you could change your mind and stop before any big developments are made.

The problem is we are talking complete fantasy anmd lies with the right when they argue this crap. Look at what happens when reality is told to UA, he cannot argue against it, and he walks off saying it better not be happening when he does not even know what the fuck is going on, but he is going to vote to end it all because he doesn't want it for himself and thinks every trans person is being tricked or forced into it because he cannot imagine anyone else on earth not feeling the exact way he does. All of his arguments boil down to everyone against him are just being jerks because we all know he is right, but we hate him so we are just being contrary because it is a fad.

I think in UA's twisted noggin, all trans surgeries are being done by either Peter Cushing Dr. Frankenstein, or Deiter Laser from Human Centipede.
Sad thing is, there's no right-wing "news" source out there that's gonna go "oh, no, that's over the top and silly".

If any right wing news source ever did do something like that they would lose most of their viewers because none of them want news. They want to be told they are right in their prejudices and hate.

see faux news firing tucker carlson. n

Anyway!!!

...do you concur with this, @Uncle Albert?

Puberty is not just something you can switch on and off. Mucking with that will affect your growth and fertility. I now eagerly await your next lawyerballing nitpick.

Do I concur that he wouldn't be surprised? Sure, it seems likely he wouldn't.

So, only trans identities aren't real?
How do you square that?

I'm more interested in if imjustabill has considered than maybe those trans women who are into cis men are therefore actually hetero women?

Seems to follow the same logic, just further.