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Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Marso, Aug 6, 2019.

  1. RickDeckard

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    Yes they do. You call it "protecting our interests", which when pressed, admit includes virtually everything.
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  2. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    Of course, but that wasn't what I meant.

    What happens when the US deems anyone to be a "rogue state"? Economic sanctions? Coalitions made with countries which really aren't your lackeys?

    You know the Romans put troops on other countries soil to provide "protection"? So did we, it's a handy euphemism for force projection, projection which has means other than military. Trade tariffs, sanctions, these are all methods of coercion.

    EDIT: Look, I know you were brought up seeing the US as the heroes, the good guys, the world police, but for those of us on the receiving end of your protection it looks very different indeed. You must surely realise that the virtues of a nation are in no small part a question of perspective?
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  3. Amaris

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    He is the worst fucking history teacher I've ever seen.
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  4. Dayton Kitchens

    Dayton Kitchens Banned

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    Economic sanctions are far, far from being equivalent to military force.

    Again. Name countries the U.S. kept troops in after being asked to leave by the national government of that country.
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  5. RickDeckard

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    Apart from all of those it has invaded...?
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  6. Damar

    Damar Liberal Elitist

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    The modern welfare state caters overwhelmingly to poor, white, rural voters. Dismantling that social safety net would let "winners win and losers lose" as the OP suggests. So when do we get started?
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  7. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    Again, I didn't say that so I don't feel the need to answer the strawman.

    The fact of the matter is simple, the US uses many means to exert influence around the globe, be they military or economic and most governments have the sense not to ask.

    Crossing the US is extremely unwise, not because it has some legitimate authority, but because there are consequences.

    That's exactly what it means to be an Empire.
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  8. We Are Borg

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    If he's any indication of the quality of teachers in the public education system, the U.S. is in deeper shit than we all thought. :jayzus:
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  9. Dayton Kitchens

    Dayton Kitchens Banned

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    Why do you see fit to attack me working at my chosen profession. Especially when you know nothing about how I teach. I don't attack you for the job you do (assuming you have one).
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  10. Dayton Kitchens

    Dayton Kitchens Banned

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    That is not the definition of an Empire. Virtually every nation tries to exert influence.

    First line from Wikipedia definition of an empire

    An empire is a sovereign state functioning as an aggregate of nations or people that are ruled over by an emperor or another kind of monarch.

    Needless to say the U.S. is not rule by an emperor or any kind of monarch
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  11. Dayton Kitchens

    Dayton Kitchens Banned

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    I think it was Colin Powell who said that the U.S. never took more territory than was necessary to bury our dead.
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  12. RickDeckard

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    It's a lie no matter who said it, nor how many times you repeat it.
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  13. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    So how does that not apply?
  14. Dayton Kitchens

    Dayton Kitchens Banned

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    What foreign territory has the U.S. seized and retained since the Mexican War?
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  15. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    You've seized and lost many, you've used other methods to coerce dozens into compliance.

    Believe it or not most empires use force as a last resort.

    You're an empire, whether you like it or not.
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  16. NotDayton Kitchens

    NotDayton Kitchens Wonderful, Loving Husband & Father

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    I will agree that the United States is an empire if you will agree that it is not. Deal?
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  17. Dayton Kitchens

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    That in no way makes a nation an empire.
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  18. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    No.

    It's an empire and I live in a protectorate nation.
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  19. NotDayton Kitchens

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    Maybe you should be glad and grateful for protection and not question like you do.
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  20. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    Yes it does. Force is only one means to create an empire, the Romans used diplomacy, as did we, it's less costly. Force comes when that fails, see Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, gunboat trade with Japan.
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  21. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    Which is what all empires claim. We "protected" India and much of Africa, we "protected" you.

    That's what protectionism means, exerting influence under the guise of "protecting" someone, the main danger being yourself if they don't play along. Criminal gangs do exactly the same thing.

    Nothing bad will happen so long as you tow the line.
  22. NotDayton Kitchens

    NotDayton Kitchens Wonderful, Loving Husband & Father

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    I don't follow. Who gives a rats ass about India and Africa?

    In any event I loathe people from those places.
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  23. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    We had an empire.

    It was arguably the most powerful in history.

    We included many countries whether they chose it or not and called it protection, we called it "civilising" them.

    Those countries which complied almost inevitably did so because not doing so would have impacted badly on them. We asked first, but rarely if ever took "no" for an answer.

    The US now has that mantle. It's arguably starting to fail but it uses exactly the same methods as we did, as the French did, the Romans, the Greeks...
  24. Amaris

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    Why do you assume I was talking about you? Aren't you Tracker? I mean, I know Dayton3 is a failed Arkansas school teacher who claimed to teach history. Is that what you do, Tracker3?
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  25. Amaris

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    You got Not Trackered.
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  26. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    Oh cheesy fuck burgers.
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  27. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    You use Merriam Webster in school, yes?

    Surely not wikipedia, which is frowned upon in academic referencing?

    The Collins English Dictionary says this:

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  28. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    of course, dating from a time when there was no standing military, it could be argued that both the regular military and National Guard(s) have made such a requirement obs
    your "protection" has been one of the greatest threats to my country since the end of WW2.
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  29. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    "Toe" the line.

    :P
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  30. NotDayton Kitchens

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    IIRC there has been no threat to invade Canada. Why would you say that? We only want what is best for you.
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