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Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Marso, Aug 6, 2019.

  1. shootER

    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

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  2. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    Stop it.....

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  3. Ten Lubak

    Ten Lubak Salty Dog

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    Your country is a shithole and people like you are the reason why :)
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  4. K.

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    It's arguably the same one. The capital just moved to a former colony.
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  5. K.

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    Even though this is NotTracker: Yes, of course I am glad and of course that is why I question the powers that ruin that Empire.

    This is an English-speaking message board. We're all here because we're part of that same empire. It's so much part of who we are that we can talk about changing the empire, but it is close to non-sensical to even begin to think about leaving it.
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  6. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    Since you posited that having China being the driving force for economic prosperity would be no worse than the US, I hope your kids enjoy learning a 1,200 or so character alphabet and eating with chopsticks! Oh shit who am kidding, with your super smart/sophisticated genes they probably already learned this. :yes:
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  7. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    Actually they can use chopsticks.

    I don't think China as the worlds' dominant nation is particularly appealing, any more than any other major power, but I do question the idea that a balanced outsider could reasonably call the US anything other than an empire and a notably aggressive one at that.
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  8. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    at least under our influence most of them drive on the proper side of the road! :D Except Korea, they drive on both sides plus the sidewalk! :cool:
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  9. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    You're very gracious allowing us our quaint little customs.

    Seems only fair since we pretty much invented your entire culture :mrsa:
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  10. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    "Actually they can use chopsticks." - spot 261
    why am I not surprised? Allow me to reward them with a nice bowl of tomato soup then.
  11. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    No thanks, spoons are next on the curriculum.
  12. oldfella1962

    oldfella1962 the only real finish line

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    XTC are awesome!
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  13. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    how fucking uncoordinated are you that chopsticks are too complex?
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  14. K.

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    Chopsticks are a lot easier than our multi-tool approach. It takes a lot longer to learn the latter than the former.
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  15. matthunter

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    Y'know you can just raise the bowl to your mouth and drink the soup, right?

    Miso amazed you never saw this done.
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  16. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Before the Pax Amricana, there was the Pax Brittanica. Before that it was Spain as the major "empire" builder. Before that . . . who cares? We live in a world built on the consequences of millennia of decisions, compromises, horrors, triumphs, tragedies, soaring accomplishments and miserable failures. To sit at one tiny moment in that timeline and decree "You're doing it wrong!" is somewhat misguided. America sits on top of the pecking order because the previous pecking order blasted itself into irrelevance in two world wars. Of note, there have been no global wars since WWII ended, largely because (1) nuclear weapons are a line no-one wants to cross and (2) we've managed, under the bi-polar world of the postwar period, to cobble together an international system that mostly works.

    You don't want America as point man? Fine. But someone is going to take that role, and the next occupant of the position is almost certainly going to be someone a lot more authoritarian, a lot less tolerant of criticism, and a lot more willing to send in the tanks when you question the rule. America is currently in decline, due mostly to the loss of clear leadership and shared experience since the "progressive" movements of the 60s took sway. Marso has some of it right, some of it wrong, but the bottom line is that there are two models for how the world works: one or two superpowers keeping everyone else more or less in line, or a multipolar "great game" world of unending chaos.

    We'll step out of the way. Most likely it will be China who comes in behind us and starts rearranging things to their liking. Hope y'all have fun with that. Some of you are so reality-impaired (Hi, Rick!) that you seem to imagine that humanity will spontaneously burst into a global culture of enlightened altruism as soon as those mean, nasty Americans are put in their place.

    Ain't gonna happen. Has never happened. In all likelihood, will never happen. We're herd animals with thumbs, five hairs away from being baboons, and all the "progressive" antics in the world won't change that.
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  17. steve2^4

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    We created today's China. I hope you're happy with that.
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  18. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    so... who needs kings when you can have an emperor?
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  19. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Yes, China's thousands of years of existence were completely wiped away by the last hundred. Spot on.

    Communism originated in Europe, remember.
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    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Who needs emperors when you can have chaos? Or perhaps the emergence of the New Soviet Man will fix everything.
  21. shootER

    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

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    I grew up in rural Texas and reciting the Pledge of Allegiance when I was in school was never some kind of daily ritual. It was done before some student assemblies, but that's it.
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  22. Rimjob Bob

    Rimjob Bob Classy Fellow

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    We did it daily in Catholic school around Philly, every morning. But I assume that was sure up the impression that our first loyalty was to the US, and not the Vatican. :diacanu:
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  23. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    So did democracy.
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  25. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Your Boy Donnie seems to think so. To paraphrase Groucho, if he got any closer to Putin, he'd be in back of him.
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  26. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    That's the irony of this new resurgence in commuphobia.

    It's led by a man who so clearly hero worships the Russian President.
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    Because they mistake communism for fascism, and embrace the fascism as freedom.
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  28. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    Freedom seems to mean many things.
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  29. Amaris

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    Indeed. It’s all a matter of perspective. To the rich man, the freedom of others to reject his desire for wealth, without punishment, is tyranny.
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  30. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    That's going to take me a few attempts.....bear with me!
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