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  1. Dayton Kitchens

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    You forgot that Jobs also worked his employees to the point of collapse. We're talking 100 hours a week in some cases. If the story is to be believed he actually had T-shirts for them that said "90 hrs. a week and loving it".
     
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    California is on the political extreme of Ohio and those things are happening here, too. I went without lights in my home for three weeks as a child. There were weeks and months we were without phone service. I wouldn't have had decent medical care as a kid except that my dad got to pay less in child support by putting me on his premium (even if Kaiser Permanente is to mental care what Tim Hortons is to coffee once you outgrow pediatrics :brood: ).

    Plus, you live in Canada. I know you guy have to pay for meds out of pocket, but doctor's visits are free. No one believes gun ownership is a right and I assume not even your cuckservatives would agree that a child should deserves to starve because they fell behind in paying a lunch bill.

    J's views are radical, yes, but I'll take that over the attitude that "Everything is Awesome" and nothing needs fixing.
     
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  3. Dayton Kitchens

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    While you are of course correct, I am somewhat sympathetic to this idea as my parents came from basically nothing and earned a substantial amount of money by working hard (and saving their money) in what is arguably the humblest of professions. They raised chickens for crying out loud.
     
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    True. I believe one of the reasons Woz left is because Steve had become a sadist, forcing his employees to mental and physical breakdowns, and then firing them for lack of loyalty.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/ear...would-never-work-with-steve-jobs-again-2014-7

    https://qz.com/984174/silicon-valle...for-decades-and-its-finally-paying-the-price/
     
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  5. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Okay take Nolan Bushnell or any other entrepreneur that's not an ass.
     
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    Okay, Nolan Bushnell started Atari, and Chuck-E-Cheese. Did all of the employees working for him become millionaires like he did? Hell, did every employee receive a livable wage? What did Nolan Bushnell actually contribute in terms of work value that his employees couldn’t?
     
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    Out of curiosity, did your father buy the house after his service in korea?

    I ask this because the entire reason that the middle class fantasy took off was in because of the VA assistance after the war helped a lot of white folks get in homes that they never would have otherwise gotten into. And I specified white folks because black folks couldn't use theirs in the neighborhoods that they were allowed to live in and redlining artificially deflated property values in those areas. And then, there are the Japanese whose property was stolen from under them after their concentration camp experience.

    A whole lotta what looks like "hard, honest work" comes from people whose families had some resources to tap into. Very few people in the history of the world go from deadass broke to billionaire without a leg up or even random chance. If the agent in charge of JK Rowling's manuscript hadn't given the story to their 8 year old niece who fell in love with the story, it's possible he would've passed on it like the other 12 publishers who are all now kicking themselves. :shrug:
     
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  9. Dayton Kitchens

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    He built the house with some help from a couple of other craftsman in the community. He never mentioned getting any assistance from the VA.
     
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    So why are you so angry all the time?
     
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    yes, couldn't let the inferiors have a say in governance, after all.
     
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    the reason most go under here is because the rent is insanely high and there aren't alternate locations with the potential clientele.
    the market doesn't support the price, which leads to only corporate groups being able to exist. i.e.: my local cafe gets priced out of the neighbourhood they helped build for 50 years and three generations because Starbucks outbid them with the landlord.

    THe inevitable outcome of the economic Darwinism libertardians promote is 17th century style feudalism. The proletariat's lot is to be returned to serfdom.
     
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    not to dis your pop, but he probably never thought anything of it (being the money for the materials, plans, etc... essentially the loan/grant) other than his rightful due.
     
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    I'm sure there's a name for that...
     
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    I don't know a lot of the details but I do know he didn't take out a loan for either the land or the materials.
     
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    well, presume context... is it likely that without some form of GI benefit he would have been able to have laid that foundation without an outside injection of cash?

    I'm sure an expert in cold war policies such as you claim to be would know what bills of the era could illustrate what was the standard of the time.
     
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    I'll be honest. In my studies of the Cold War era numbers of tanks and aircraft have tended to be a lot more prominent than the benefits paid to draftees after they got out of the service. I know dad owned his own car when he was drafted and left home for the war. I know he bought the land where he ultimately built the house from his grandfather (Green). And the house wasn't remotely as large as it is today. It started out as a mere one bedroom, one bath. Not the five bedroom, two and a half bath that it eventually grew into.

    Mom and Dad lived in an old, archaic house that was built by Grandpa Green while they built the beginnings of the house today. This small house still stands (barely) behind the main house that exists today.
     
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    That is not an axiom. :lol:

    Try again.
     
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    I suspect that the entire cost/loans for the expansion would have been underwritten if not out right grants.
    I alos suspect that it was less in total that what a crew of four would cost for two weeks today.
    For context, the last expansion reno like that I worked on was an 18 month project.
     
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    I remember the last two major expansions. It was just my mom and dad doing the work. Carpentry, masonry, electrical, and plumbing. I remember my sisters and I unloading the bricks from the truck that delivered them and helping collect the pickup truck loads of rocks that we used to form the core of the concrete foundation of the back porch. My lack of knowledge about how key parts of the house were constructed has been a problem I've encountered with the renovations that I've tried to have done recently.
     
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    Referencing my earlier post about the Pledge of Allegiance, the same thing applies to prayer.

    Never, not once, was there any sort of mandatory or group prayer in school where I grew up. Before football games, yes, but not during school itself.
     
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    Just in case someone is in danger of picking up some bad information in passing: Yes, of course that's an axiom. Not a valid one, of course, but it wasn't presented as such either.
     
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    Deluded propaganda.

    We're in the process literally of destroying the biosphere of our planet, and the major actors in the capitalist economy are determined to prevent any action to stop it. To give one example of where this fantasy falls short.
     
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    How would you know? Your expertise is in "media studies." :lol:
     
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    Nope.
     
  26. Soma

    Soma OMG WTF LOL STFU ROTFL!!!

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    That's what you said. Or were you just lying? In any case, you're still wrong. :)
     
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    An axiom is a concept that is generally held to be true. Unless Soma's saying most Christians don't believe this, it qualifies. A cursory Google search finds Anna's far from the only one calling it an axiom anyway.
     
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    Nope. I said something similar, but crucially different for this context, and I have corrected you on this twice before. But I do recognize a troll for personal information, so let me just summarize that you're wrong about axioms and wrong about me.
     
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    An axiom is an unprovable proposition we hold to be true because we have no choice. Don't over think it (which is not a problem for you anyway). :)

    What a random thing to say. Is that supposed to mean something to me?

    You had to Google it? :lol:
     
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    I'm not remotely interested in you or what you do. I simply recognize a liar when I see one. The fact that you don't know what an axiom is only reinforces my belief that you are a charlatan.
     
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