Crimson Trace Grips

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  1. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

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    This is another opinion thread.

    Would I, in your opinion, be wasting my money if I picked up some crimson trace grips for my Kimber Tactical Pro II? It has excellent dove tail night sites, and I'm decent at target acquisition using open sites.
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    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    I'd love laser grips, but it's an expense I just can't justify.
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    I have found a pair on eBay cheap. :P
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    Jeff Cooper Disciple You've gotta be shittin' me.

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    Don't waste your money. Learn to shoot with the iron sights and get yourself some good night sights if you need them. If you rely on the laser, it WILL fail when you need it in a pinch.
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    I have excellent night sites, and I'm a good shot.

    Just can't double tap (yet) :(.
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    Jeff Cooper Disciple You've gotta be shittin' me.

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    Laser sights aren't going to help you learn to double tap.
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    ...I didn't say they would.
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    So why waste your money on something you don't need?

    If you want them, more power to you, and I'll admit its kind of cool, but I wouldn't get them. Aside from the fact that it's more mechanical and electrical stuff that can go wrong at the wrong time, I just would be afraid of becoming so reliant on them that I would forget how to function without them.
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    I figure you really wouldn't have to train with them much beyond the initial windage and elevation adjustments when you first install it. Am I wrong?
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    I don't know, having never used them, but I suspect it takes some training or practice to look for the red dot. My worry would just be that I would become so dependent on that red dot that I'd lose my competency with iron sights.
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    If you ever have multiple assailants in dark conditions, many say a laser offers huge intimidation that can save some lives.
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    I still can't double-tap either. My fingers just aren't that fast.
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    My double taps have evolved from 8 to 8 on a target to about 7 to 7's. How close do true double-taps have to be?
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    Minute Of Torso IMHO.
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    Shoes, I am ashamed I don't know what that means. Enlighten me?
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    It's a play on words. Precision shooters talk about Minute of Angle, which is roughly one inch for every 100 yards. So 1 MOA would be a one inch group at 100 yards, or a 2 inch group at 200 yards... .5 MOA would be a .5 inch group at 100 and a 1 inch group at 200, etc.

    My use of "Minute of Torso", just means that if your double-taps leave two holes relatively near center mass, dispite how close they are together, that's pretty much "good enough". :)
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    Nope. It comes quite naturally. As for depending on them, thats why you have back up Iron sights. But the red dot system is far superior for sight picture acquisition and situational awareness. Spend the money on a high quality set (EoTech or Aimpoint) and you'll be fine. I would shy from the chicom knocks offs for a PD weapon. On a rifle I highly suggest em. On a pistol, unless you are doing competition, Id suggest just getting a really got and bright light. IN addition I'd also suggest trijicon sights on a pistol.
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    My Tactial Pro II has excellent night sites. :) I will look at these eotech and aimpoints you speak of.
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    Those are actually more for rifles and carbines. Not really condusive to concealed carry handguns. :)
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    Yeah, I figured that out after about 3 seconds on their websites.

    There were some nice solutions I will use if I ever get into hunting wild hogs, or if the Sioux declare independence again (savages!)