Crisis Time for Obamacare

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  1. Steal Your Face

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    It means Obamacare was full of should have, would of , could of's
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  4. John Castle

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    I really do wonder how you're going to spin your support for this legislative Hindenburg once the flames are undeniable even by you.
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    Chardman An image macro is worth 1000 words. Deceased Member

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    And I wonder how you'll spin it when your career as a terrible writer inevitably proves nowhere near lucrative enough to cover your own medical expenses, and you're pretty much forced to embrace some sort of socialized medicine.
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  6. tafkats

    tafkats scream not working because space make deaf Moderator

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    Ah. So in other words you seized on a phrase, decided to interpret it a different way, then used your own reinterpretation as a dodge to avoid having to address what I actually said. :techman:
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  7. Liet

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    Crisis time for amazon.com and UPS, or maybe not:

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    The Big Screwup


    You know how it went. They made big promises: just go to the website, provide the information, and all will be well. What actually happened was nothing like that. It’s true that many, perhaps most people did in the end manage to get what they sought; but millions found themselves frustrated and angry. Was it a disaster? That depends on which anecdotes you choose to emphasize. Will it have long-run consequences? Too soon to tell.

    Yes, the great online-shopping screwup of 2013 was an object lesson. Oh, wait — did you think I was talking about healthcare.gov?

    So, in case you didn’t know, online shopping had a number of glitches this holiday season, with Amazon, for example, failing to make good on many supposedly guaranteed delivery dates — and as a result, quite a few Christmas presents weren’t there when the reindeer took off. The biggest bottleneck seems to have been UPS, which just didn’t provide enough capacity, but it wasn’t the only one. Can’t the private sector do anything right?

    OK, we all understand that things happen, and that sometimes they go wrong — especially when you’re dealing with something new, like the rapid growth of online shopping. But as Alec MacGillis says, many pundits were quick to declare healthcare.gov’s problems evidence of the fundamental, irretrievable incompetence of government, and as an omen of Obamacare’s inevitable collapse. Strange to say, none of these people are making similar claims about UPS or Amazon.

    I wonder why.
  8. tafkats

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    The ENTIRE PREMISE of ordering books online is fatally flawed! Jeff Bezos should be drawn and quartered!
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  9. Steal Your Face

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    Yet when the USPS screws up on a daily basis, not one word is uttered.
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Then how do you know they screw up?
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    The last time I ordered something online with free seven day USPS shipping, it arrived the next day! What a screw up! I've been conditioned by UPS and FedEx never to expect paid delivery to arrive that quickly unless you pay through the nose for it, and even then it's not likely to come on time. Who knew that the USPS was vastly more efficient than the purely private delivery services? I was take completely by surprise by that delivery. :ualbert:

    ;)

    Seriously though, anyone paying extra for UPS or FedEx is most likely getting ripped off, especially in this day and age of electronic documents and delivery. Hell, if you're sufficiently rural they contract out to the postal service for your deliveries because they have no desire to actually deliver to you. Even if you're not that rural, priority mail beats the hell out of every UPS/FedEx service on cost effectiveness and most of them on timeliness, and there's really not much that has to be more timely than that that isn't a document better delivered electronically.
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    Unless my job is paying for it, I've never used anything but Priority Mail. For the price, you can't beat it.
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  14. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    :yes: And with their free pickup service, I couldn't tell you the last time I actually had to schlep to the post office.
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    Virtually all USPS "screw ups" are the result of them being gutted by the 2006 GOP mandate that they fully pre-fund the entirety of their projected health-benefit costs of their retirees.That diverts 22% of funds that would normally facilitate them doing their job.

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  16. Zombie

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    Because unlike the government those two private businesses will alter their plans for next year and you watch next year will go off without a problem. Those private companies understand that they looked stupid this year and it cost them money and reputation. They won't let it happen again.

    Can the same be said about Obamacare or government programs in general? FUCK NO!

    No doubt there are people at UPS, FEDEX and Amazon who got their asses chewed out and/or fired over this. Has anyone got their ass chewed out by Obama over Obamacare? FUCK NO! They circled the fucking wagons.

    If the White House and it's agencies were a private company a whole lot of people in HHS, starting with Kathleen Sebelius, would have been fired and there is a good chance that the CEO, Obama in this case, would have been tossed out on his ass for the fuckup that is Obamacare.
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  17. T.R

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    You do realize that you're dealing with people who really thought prices of people's insurance would go down AND not be canceled after health insurers were forced to provide more than what was considered standard coverage before right? But don't worry, I have feeling quite a few of the idiots that passed this turd will be thrown out on their butts next year if these poll numbers keep on the track they are heading :techman:
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    That was the GOP's "poison pill". There isn't a single private company in the country which is required to prefund half a century of retirement pensions for employees who aren't even born yet. The sole purpose from that was to make the USPS look bad and it is entirely artificial.
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  20. Steal Your Face

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    Nothing better than zero accountability.
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  22. tafkats

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    Well, THAT should do wonders for your credibility.
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  23. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Yeah, you're going to have to provide some evidence of Republicans calling it that.

    And no, you won't get credit for finding it on some extremist site.
  25. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    I love how Archangel keeps playing the same "prove the sky is blue" game and he keeps losing every time. :lol:
  27. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    That technique works with the “Google it yourself!1!!” crowd, but research has been part of my armamentarium probably since before Archangel was born. :shrug:
  28. Tamar Garish

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    Did you even read your own source?

    No one is comparing Obamacare to Katrina in the sense of bodies in the streets.

    The comparison is the incompetence of response and a lack of readiness to handle what needs to be done.

    In that sense, it's a valid comparison. Even the Obamacare supporters have to admit the website rollout was not a shining moment for Obamacare just like Katrina support was not a shining moment for FEMA/Bush.
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  29. garamet

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    What? You approved of the slipshod manner the website was launched with?
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