Again, body counts have zero to do with the comparison. The fact you want to try and shoehorn it in there to distract from the similarities in incompetent planning is just intellectual dishonesty.
Pivot more. It won't do you any more good than it's doing now, but maybe if you spin yourself nauseous, you'll puke up the stupid that's got you defending this fraud.
It is not a false analogy. If anything Obama has far less excuses for the incompetent rollout since they knew it was coming and they had a year to prepare it, test it and make sure it worked correctly and FEMA had a week or so at best to prepare for dealing with Katrina and it's aftermath.
Word of advice: Proofread before posting. So, looks as if the "crisis" is turning out to be T.R's personal Laffer Curve:
So? That graph is irrelevant. Just because people are enrolled doesn't mean the rollout wasn't incompetent and a huge clusterfuck. Every sane person knows it, including the more sensible supporters of the ACA.
Okay, so millions of Americans having access to affordable health insurance is “irrelevant” to your side, but “TEH WEBSITE DOESN’T/DIDN’T WORK!!!!!11!” is essential to you sense of wellbeing. Your “crisis” is as relevant as Zombie’s Recession of 2011. Time to manufacture a new OUTRAGE!!!1!! ‘cause you’ve lost this one.
I love how it's my "manufactured crisis" when all I did was repeat what the major news outlets were printing. In fact the first article I printed was from CNBC which used the term "crisis" for obamacare. So don't blame me for manufacturing a crisis.Blame the mainstream media for reporting the truth.
Except none of them actually lost coverage or went without coverage. They just signed up for new plans like the insurance companies do just about every year when they change the terms of the plan. So we have 6.1 million who were never insured before who now have insurance and 6 million who previously had substandard insurance and who now have much better plans which cost less money. Sorry, but that dog won't hunt. Thus why Republicans are always lying and making stuff up instead of telling the truth.
Did the media make you post all those cartoons, too? He's had it explained to him numerous times in this thread and he still doesn’t get it. Even Dayton’s shown indications that new information can make him rethink old ideas. But I guess you can’t fix Stupid.
Oh do tell, where are the 4 million that had coverage? Coverage they liked and could afford? Coverage that even the president now agrees that they should have never lost were it not for his signature piece of legislation and that he did something very very wrong?
We won't really know if this legislation was a miracle or a disaster until 50 years from now when we're all dead. Man, I envy dead-me already.
Frontline would probably complain about legal minimums on car insurance. "But they were happy with their coverage which didn't meet the minimum legal requirements so why should they have to get better coverage?" Not to mention all of those people were grandfathered into the ACA and didn't have to change anything, legally speaking, and it was the insurance companies who wanted to simplify their operations and just ditch the old policies for newer policies. But, hey, you can't fix stupid so I'm sure he'll keep his nonsensical ranting up even though he's completely wrong.
How many of them have bothered to check the exchanges to find out what their premiums will be under the ACA and how many are sitting there like you going “ My wife got it through work and I never had to look at it before so I don’t know any of these things and I don’t want to learn ”? Find some hard numbers and get back to us.
I imagine many of them are like Dayton and never bothered to check the exchanges. They just swallow the lies of Fox and never bother to check for themselves. Notice how Dayton's actual numbers were less than 1/3rd of the number he claimed? For BETTER coverage.
And -? Aren't you one of those screaming about how the system will be overloaded by people demanding "free healthcare"? Make up your mind.
Well, as a libertarian Frontline's entire economic "philosophy" can be summed up as his looking at external costs to private actions and other collective action problems and saying "NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH I CAN"T SEE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" while gouging out his eyes.
Tell me when I get my care from government provided doctors and that my only choice is to use them an then you'll have a decent analogy . Try again.
67 pages and no one has answered if they are OK with kicking people out of the hospital when their shitty insurance runs out. They tap dance around and sputter....and close their eyes and cover their ears and just scream "OBAMACARE BAD!!!" over and over. If they aren't OK with that then they are hypocrites and are OK with the government paying for people's healthcare.
Why shouldn't they be? It (patient dumping) happens with Medicare and Medicaid patients all the time. Oh and those two policies generally cover way less than traditional insurance does. There is a mechanism to try to prevent patient dumping based on "outcome based healthcare". For instance if a patient is brought in with condition X, and the hospital discharges said patient, and the patient has to be readmitted for X again within a specific time period, then the facility receives no payment for any of the treatment but is bound by regs to provide care. In concept it's meant to combat patient dumping. In and of its self its not a bad idea. The thought is to reduce the total cost of delivering care. However a doctor or facility can't always be blamed. Discharge a patient with specific follow up instructions and the patient doesnt comply (which is fairly common), and has to be readmitted, guess what? It gets counted against the provider. Another common scenario is that the patient gets discharged but has to be readmitted for Y. More often than not the government says something along the lines of "Well it must be connected to X. So no pay for you anyway." in the end the provider then figures out different ways to dump patients. Wash, rinse, repeat. So why should people have a problem? Meanwhile the private insurance patient have better outcomes. Why? Because the private plans are more flexible and pay more for procedures and care than Medicare and Medicaid. Now consider all the people thrown into Medicaid? Guess what the results will be.
