Defund the Police

Nearly every woman I know has been assaulted or molested at some point in her life.

And every man I know says "I'm innocent".

In fact, the same men that *I know* assaulted or molested someone, insists he's innocent.

You do the math.

(Scooby voice)
Reath renalty.

I don't. What's your point?

I hope one of the looters or Antifa thugs have a need for the police and I hope they don't show up. That won't happen because police do their jobs regardless of politics, but I hope it happens.

At the moment, the cops showing up is only going to make things worse.

Case in point:

https://www.newsweek.com/black-fami...rotect-l-store-looters-ends-handcuffs-1508127

What world are you living in?

Exactly. Considering the overwhelming success Camden NJ had with disbanding their police force, it will be interesting to see how it works on a larger scale.

Hopefully, it as successful but either way it will provide some useful data.

Dammit, Dicky, you can't just drop comments like this just out of nowhere!

I wouldn't exactly say they disbanded it.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...den-new-jersey-reformed-its-police-department

So where are you seeing all these taglines?

I don't live a vacuum you know. I see them here, on the news, hear them on the radio, my friends are on social media, as are my co-workers. In short, everywhere. It's literately all that people are talking about.

Augusta GA uses the "county" system which covers Augusta itself and the rest of Richmond County except for a couple of towns that have their own police force. Is this system better? All I know is
race relations between 52 percent black Richmond County and the county deputies are going well. No race related brutality or abuses of power. When a black suspect is killed by a cop (very likely to be black too) and the facts are revealed, pretty much everyone says "yep! Shit bag had it coming! Good riddance to bad rubbish!"

Crooked/dirty cops and incompetent cops aren't tolerated for the most part but of course internal politics can't be completely avoided. We have had about five demonstrations with zero violence.

What needs to be disbanded or defunded is police unions

Yes, they are part of the problem that allows for some of the douche cops to keep their job after multiple offenses. Reason has a pretty good article about it.

More at the link.
https://reason.com/2020/06/03/its-time-to-bust-police-unions/

From the link:

“So in 2013, the mayor and city council dissolved the local PD”

I mean... Not seeing what the difference between disband and dissolve but okay...

The paragraph continues, "and signed an agreement for the county to provide shared services. The new county force is double the size of the old one, and officers almost exclusively patrol the city."

They still have a police department, it's just that the department falls under a different jurisdiction.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/18/opinion/tara-reade-believe-all-women.html

99% of those saying disband the police don’t think we don’t need ANY kind of police agency. Just that most of the existing structure is so tainted that it needs to be razed and a new one built in it’s place.

Due to the way most union contracts are written it is much much easier to disband the entire department than fire bad officers and put in to place new accountable contracts.

Often this will go with many of the current roles and responsibilities given to other agencies or dropped as counterproductive.

He forgot to mention that the police department was reorganized. They fired everyone and pressed the reset button. They also got rid of the union.

dude... Toronto cops make over 100K a year and the budget is over 1.2 billion... almost half of which is salaries. Paying them well doesn't improve the quality of their work... it just makes them slightly more classist.

That's Toronto. Many police departments in the US pay shit wages to cops. Many have to work overtime or private security gigs just to make a decent living.

but here where them getting shot at is a substantially lower concern, well...
lose the kevlar and get a clip on tie
downgrade to revolvers and/or lower caliber weapons. of the five classes of constable we have, n one below third should even have a sidearm.
reduce wages to be comparable to other municipal employees. statistically cops are in a safer occupation than road workers.
increase training from 24 weeks to 48, focusing on community and mental health interventions and deescalation
body cameras mandatory. no off buttons.

exactly... yet we still have significant issues of brutality and corruption despite paying them an enviable wage from day 1.

Here's a decent explanation.

(Liberals will probably never be accused of being good at branding.)

• End the "War on Drugs." If ever there was a boondoggle, that's it.
• Reform or strike down the Three-Strikes laws, which destroy families and enrich the private prison industry.
  
• Stop requiring foot patrol to hand out x-number of summonses per week or get called on report. (Don't know if that's true of all large city departments, but ask yourself how many broken tail-lights there can be in NYC on a given week?)
• Take away the toys some departments got after 9/11 and during Bush War II. You wanna join the military, Fatso? Put down the donuts and join the military. You do not belong rumbling down U.S. streets in Army surplus M1117s shooting at people on their front porch.
  
• Find someone or someones with the courage of Frank Serpico to work inside and bust the mofos (especially the ones in the front office) and their posses who drag an entire department down.

ETA: @tafkats beat me to it... and with illustrations.

also, privatized policing? seriously?
Best case scenario with that is...

The funds just need to be redirected to proper training. The bar needs to be set high for police officers. And by proper training i mean legal training. A cop should be well versed in the law. Physical training. A cop should be able to handle himself against an assailant so hopped up on whatever he can't feel pain. Equipment training. A cop should know when and how to properly use the tools he's been provided.

You're absolutely correct about large multi-nationals stepping in to protect their interests. They already hire companies like Blackwater (or whatever they're calling themselves this month) in third world nations. Proponents of privatized law enforcement should really read up on the Pinkertons and their subsidiary, the Coal and Iron Police.