Do poor people always have an excuse?

1) It's funny how the moochers and the never-was' bitch about how they can't get promoted. Well no shit. If you act at work the way you do here, no wonder no one wants to promote you.

RE the thread title: "Excuses are the nails used to build a house of failure." -Don Wilder.

Azure, as you can see, not only will poor people have an excuse, they'll have plenty of people to make excuses for them.

I can't promote anyone.

There really isn't anything to be promoted too. Unless they want my job. Which, one of them will probably get in the future. Otherwise its a crew chief that just looks after all the logistics, scheduling and equipment....but I still work side by side with them. I just get paid for for all the headache.

And your solution is?

Working hard will give you a better chance at succeeding than being a lazy asshole ever will.

I do realize that some people, especially relatives, get the better job, get promoted, get a raise, etc, etc. But what can you do? Go work somewhere else if you don't like it.

Or, start your own business. Something I want to do someday.

Oh, and if anyone was wondering, my boss just sent me a text message to say its all been settled.

Hows the job hunt been going?

So..lemme guess how the thread has gone...

That about where we are?

Just going by your usage.

You know, its quite sad what a fucking lunatic you've become.

I will be after the operation.

No, not really, at least not in a way that's sensible and matters. Sure, you can't really be rewarded for hard work in a government job, but you also very rarely need to worry about the appearance of working hard if you do competent work. In the private sector you sometimes get rewarded for hard work, but if you're really efficient and get all your work done well, easily, and quickly then you're fucked. Working hard in the private sector is a matter of appearances, not a matter of actually doing your job well. All those private sector people putting in 60-70 hour weeks could do just as good a job and get just as much done in a 35-40 hour week, but then they wouldn't look like they're working hard.

Government jobs tend to reward efficient hard work with a better lifestyle in the form of leisure time. Private sector jobs, to the extent that they seem to reward hard work, mostly are just penalizing the lack of an appearance of hard work.

YMMV

You also got to look at this from an Injun point of view. They get money from the government. I have no idea how much this amount is, but I am pretty sure they do fine.

If the money can get them food, shelter, and also afford them a bit of spending money, why should they be motivated to work for a living?

Alphaman has it exactly right. When you live in an area where you don't get to see anyone move up in the world, chances are you won't think it can even happen. Not that this is any excuse for not at least trying (we all know after a certain age that stealing and murder is wrong, period), but fuck. One of my aunts assumed I'd have two kids with two baby daddies long before now. I wish I were making that up.

Mewa also made a post referring to the mindset of the truly poor, which aside from the phrasing, I agreed with the sentiment. Having no money doesn't mean having no sense of morals or work ethic. My uncle's first wife grew up pinching pennies to the point that my aunt never set foot in any restaurant until she went on a date at eighteen. And yet, she had exposure to culture, knew how to play two different instruments (It's her I credit for my appreciation for music), and helped my uncle to become a Corrections officer to give their family a better shot at life...after which she completed the college degree she postpone after she had her first son--who, BTW? Is a lawyer for JAG

You would be wrong.

The money goes to the leaders (a chief or council), and there's zero accountability as to how it's spent. Chiefs are free to waste the money on stupid projects, grant themselves ridiculous salaries, basically whatever they like. Some of the reserves are like third world shitholes, where the people don't even have clean drinking water.

I actually own my own business. Thanks for asking. It's a little slow right now, but we've had some sales already and we haven't even finalized the website design or hit the marketing heavy yet. Tomorrow I visit some stores too to get them to carry my products.

Oh, and where have I bitched that I can't get promoted. I got promoted on my last job. I was making fucking good money, but I hated the job and I hated where I was living, so I left to start my own business.

And now I've started my own business, so I guess things are going pretty well.

It is shocking how backwards you are. Government jobs reward efficiency? BWAHAHAHAH. Sorry, but I've worked with government employees. Efficiency is completely unnecessary and is not rewarded in any way, shape or form. Also, if you don't think that there are a large number of people in the private sector that actually need to work 60 hours a week, then you need to get out more.

To quote Ghostbusters: You don't know what it's like out there. I've worked in the private sector. They expect results.

Any that weren't to your friends or family?

I dunno what sort of welfare system they have in Canada, but no one I know that was on it in the US could afford to survive. There's enough money barely for clothing and maybe rent if you live anywhere outside of California, and that's it.

That being said, welfare in a lot of cases pay more than a 40 hour minimum wage job. Either that, or the state cuts your benefits to almost zero the moment you get to a job, and you're working for peanuts.It happened to my family growing up on more than one occasion--which was a wake-up to say, as someone else pointed out, welfare is a temporary solution; you'll have to face the music eventually, either when the kid turns eighteen or when the benefits dry up for good (which nowadays happens well before age 18).

I second this. Outside of an emotional attachment to the job itself, the only reason I stuck with the government job is the retirement plan.

Without fail or exception, all government workers will spend more energy getting out of doing something than they would have spent actually doing it because they believe their jobs are eternally secure. And, for the most part, they're right. The civil service protections are well meaning, but out of control.

It took us a year to fire a Lt. that was going home and going to bed while on the clock. The Chief and his Captain caught him red handed and the agency still had to spend time and tens of thousands of dollars in lawyer fees to finalize the termination.

Office politics is also very dangerous because it involves real politics. The wheels are greased by favors. Or, "I'll do this for you, not because it's my job to do it for you, but because one day I'll ask you for a favor and I'll remind you of this."

That's one reason I never tried to get tickets dropped for people. Besides being obviously wrong and an abuse of power, it would involve owing a favor to the Circuit Court Clerk, or the most powerful man in the county.

QFT.

Government employees are not for the most part interested in efficiency. Nor is the government itself.

I've been working in Government for two years and I've seen lots of things that are terribly inefficient. I've stopped asking, "why don't they do it this way?"

I'm gonna bet that most of the white guys are newfies... they're like irish guys but drunk more often.

One of the eps that stood out in my mind was where Mike and a classmate were up for the same job. Of course, the friend was black and beat Mike out for this plum gig... Meathead, thinking they were otherwise equals, got all passive aggressive that affirmative action tipped the balance.

His comeuppance was when his buddy replied that maybe it wasn't race, but that he was just better qualified...

The other day was the anniversary of one of my good friends death. He was shot and killed in drug deal that went bad. Six months before that, a few weeks after he was almost shot then, and I was almost stabbed, we were talking about how if something didn't give we'd be dead in a year. We both knew it, felt it, talked about it. It was coming to the point of realization that certain things were unsustainable. Life has a way of drilling that point across. I was already moving away from that life. I was working for a really good guy who gave me a good opportunity and I took it, because at the time I realized hustling spades and dominoes and stealing shit was unsustainable. Now I was coming to the realization that hanging out with the folks who I used to do all that shit with, was too. My friend never did. A lot of my friends never did.

And I was driving on the road the other day thinking of him and the other friends or family I lost and the reason for it all trying to make sense of it.

Part of it is hopelessness and the feeling that things will never be better than what they are now. But that is such an obvious falsehood that maturity cures us all of this fallacy eventually. Not only can the get better than can also get worse. And we all learn that in no time. A bigger problem than progress seeming hopeless is that we've made poverty sustainable. At least partially. Barring any serious medical conditions, poverty in this country is completely sustainable. There is no incentive for progress at that point. We have robbed people of evolving economically and socially because there is no need to. What is naturally unsustainable we have made sustainable.

When I was much younger, and food was in shortage I came to the realization that this was unsustainable and set about making money, the easiest way at the time being hustling and stealing. But then that presents itself to be unsustainable once you and your friends and family start going to jail and getting killed. So I got an honest job. Once my basic needs were being met my want of excess grew with my ability to afford them.

A lot of my friends went the other route though. Those that didn't go to jail or die went on welfare and government assistance. Their needs were being met and the only thing they had to concern themselves with was satisfying the need for pleasure. And that is what life became for them. And endless search for pleasure. They had no need to search for sustenance. Life became about drinking, smoking, gambling and sex.

So it isn't just poverty we have made sustainable. We have also made irresponsibility sustainable in the process. With all forms of socialism and welfare and even protectionism were business is concerned, when we remove the need for personal responsibility we foster the desire and search for personal pleasure and gratification.

We all have the need and desire for pleasure, but it is regulated naturally by our need for sustenance. When you provide this sustenance, is it any surprise that all that's left is constant gratification and the divorce of any sense of responsibility?

Trust me, they don't do fine. Sure, they get enough to live and pay for satellite TV, but they don't do fine.

Far as I know, each individual person on the reserve doesn't receive a government check. The check is sent to the board, and they pass out the money and look after it.

Which explains why millions of dollars have gone missing over the years.

Yep.

I'm sure you recall numerous stories of millions of dollars going missing. Corruption is at its finest amongst board leaders because they don't have to be accountable to anyone.

Pretty much fucking nailed it.

Quite a few actually.

They like to drink, but they can also work hard.