Does Having the Palestinian Flag as Your Avatar Warrant a Ban?

OK, I would wash my hands after high fiving the likes of @Steal Your Face as he is an anti-vaxer. just a little safety point for you over there with the rest of the CHUDs where you belong. Don't die on us.

I'm glad FF decided not to go back to using a Nazi avatar, but instead chose to use his latest creation in art class.

This has been my contribution to this well-reasoned, nuanced, and not overly-emotional thread.

I hope everyone had a happy holiday. So here's my last post on the subject of this thread, because the trolls get too much red meat anyway:

I told the admins, and I'll say it here, too, so you know: I refuse to remove the signature. It is as "antisemitic" and "racist" as saying "Free South Africa." Some of you are very much on the wrong side of history here, and you'll either find out later, or you'll go on blissfully unaware. You might not understand why this is important to me, but it is. I give a damn about the people being murdered, and yes, that includes the people in Israel attacked by Hamas. You're so caught up in 9/11 brain rot that you've lost all sense of reason. You're simply reacting.

I will not remove the signature. The Palestinian people are being murdered by an oppressive apartheid state, and they're doing it in the name of Judaism, despite many Jewish people, especially Torah Jews, who are protesting Israel's actions.
If you see the signature removed, it means someone removed it without my permission.

Just because you choose to be ignorant, don't foist that ignorance upon others as the beck and call of the community.

I told the admins that to get rid of the signature, they'll have to ban me, because I won't remove it.

Please feel free to rehash this argument over the next 10 years and go nowhere with it. I've made my point.

I can't even see signatures on mobile, and forgot they existed.

You really need to look in the mirror.

While I agree with you, clearly nothing will be done. Admins are above the rules here. Same as it ever was. Why would we expect them to follow their own rules?

I was thinking of changing my signature to "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be debris" just to poke our two favourite anti-semites in the eye.

But that would be petty. So I won't.

In your head, you are making an epic, inspiring speech. In reality, you are the homeless guy with 3 teeth, arguing with a telephone pole.

Trick someone taught me last year when someone mentioned signatures and I was reminded they still existed: Turn your phone sideways and switch to horizontal.

And thanks to @Uncle Albert, we now have a picture of @Amaris.

You are an idiot. If dude had a heart attack and drove into a lake and died would you call that “died of a heart attack” or “died of drowning”? Do you know who would know? The fucking coroner because that is their job! Stop acting like trump. You do no know everyone’s job.

Alien vs Predator, Freddy vs Jason, Frankenstein vs Wolf-Man, Demonic Toys vs Puppetmaster, Jenee vs FF.

The thing is that there’s proof that they were doing this.

No, no... This signature posturing is important and meaningful and it's making a huge difference in the real world.

so do not criticize Isreal is the line that cannot be crossed on WF? Who would have thought that would have been the line?

It seems to me this is an interesting proof that any criticism of Isreal is actually oppressed. Hmmmm, I have to say one of the owners here @Dr. Krieg is showing his anti-palestinian hatred and Isreali dominance over a sig.

I do hope that this sort of thing is just a discussion where some of the radical Isreali supporters are not al;lowed to make their political bubble by using admin powers because they cannot hide their lust for killing muslims.

Seriously, it took them how long to get rid of some of the white nationalists? Certain people have never even gotten a warning for calling all trans people groomers. Ity seems one of the few things around here that gets the mods all bothered is nazi symbolism. That was one of the few things that got Dayton and Federal fetus vacations.

Hole shit, @Steal Your Face might have been right about a Isreali conspiracy.

You guys don't want to make FF right? Do you?

Is there? Do you have it? Or at least a reliable source to this accusation against an entire population of workers.

he's jsut gonna post a link to Joe Rogan looking like a stunned pug whilst somebody an a foil hat rants about Bill Gates...

When FF asserts something as a fact, you can pretty much assume that not only is it a lie, the exact opposite will turn out to be true.

https://missouriindependent.com/202...s-the-country-hide-the-true-toll-of-covid-19/

Uncounted: Inaccurate death certificates across the country hide the true toll of COVID-19

In Cape Girardeau County, the coroner hasn’t pronounced a single person dead of COVID-19 in 2021.

Wavis Jordan, a Republican who was elected last year to serve as coroner of the 80,000-person county, says his office “doesn’t do COVID deaths.” He does not investigate deaths himself, and requires families to provide proof of a positive COVID-19 test before including it on a death certificate.

Meanwhile, deaths at home attributed to conditions with symptoms that look a lot like COVID-19 — heart attacks, Alzheimer’s and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease — increased.

“When it comes to COVID, we don’t do a test,” Jordan said, “so we don’t know if someone has COVID or not.”

Nationwide, nearly 1 million more Americans have died in 2020 and 2021 than in normal, pre-pandemic years, but about 800,000 deaths have been officially attributed to COVID-19, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data.

A majority of those additional 195,000 deaths are unidentified COVID-19 cases, public health experts have long suggested, pointing to the unusual increase in deaths from natural causes.
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https://www.kansascity.com/news/coronavirus/article253147128.html

Coroner in Missouri county keeps COVID off of death certificates

Macon County Coroner Brian Hayes handles the death certificates for this cattle, corn and soybean region of 15,000 in north-central Missouri, near Kirksville — roughly 130 to 140 deaths each year. That includes certifying the deaths of the few dozen residents who have succumbed to the coronavirus.

And in some cases, it has meant excluding COVID-19 from death certificates.

COVID-19 is as much a political issue as a personal tragedy for some families. They don’t want the virus on any official record for their dead loved one. ​

I'm sure you can find mistakes going the other direction, but this is systematic fraud aimed at faking numbers to please the COVID denialists.

To get back onto the banning and moderation idea of the original thread as we also have a thread for the Isreali/palestine conflict argument, the idea that the palestinian flag or pro-palestine motto's that do not involve a call for genocide should be warned or moderated truly go beyond the moderation levels we all enjoy in the red room.

The palestinian flag and mottos calling for a free Palestine are not calls for violence or killing. This is just as a continued existence of a jewish state of Isreal does not involve genocide. Yes, powers on both sides have clearly called for Genocide of the other. but that does not have to be inherent to the designs of their existence. Zionism does not, as I understand it, rely upon killing all non-jews, or the killing of muslims. As far as I know it just involves a government that has jewish control. That government could allow for the existence of other peoples in their area with a jewish oriented power base and concerns.

Letting Palestinians have their homes ajnd a right to survival and protection also does not inherently involve the killing of jews. The idea that it does involves a lie that tries to impose all palestinians as an enemy to Isreal or the jews that need to be imprisoned or removed for the existence of either. This simply is not the case as you could have a free palestine and an Isreal.

Certain symbology like Nazi symbolism call for a state that can only exist with the destruction of certain peoples, on of the main ones being the jews. Wordforge has gone so far as to allow things like Pepe the Frog to be used by white nationalists as an open symbol of pro-racist rhetoric and harassment. You8 have allowed the ideas that christianity and transgenderism openly being grooming for child molestation. You have allowed ideas that black people are thugs who are prone to violence more than white people, and therefor need to be imprisoned more often due to their genetic predisposition to violence. You have allowed the defense of confederate racist icons like statues and the confederate flag which symbolize racism and racist slavery as proper and needed.

The idea of a ban of the palestinian flag or the use of free palestine mottos should be a no brainer non starter for a place that has allowed all of these things for discussion, especially when you are talking about @Amaris . Hate her views on things for what they are, but you cannot argue that these things have not been tolerated under her representation as a mod for their discussion value.

Moderation on this level has always been demonizing to the moderators for allowing openly toxic views for the sake of adult discussion, and Amaris has never called for the Nazis to be tolerated. It would be one thing to warn a person with a history of anti-semetic support like @Steal Your Face for using such a motto to attack jewish and pro-isreal members. It would be appropriate to warn a person like @Volpone who has been warned for posting lynching pictures before IIRC. I might be remembering who did that wrong. If Dayton were still here it might be worth a warning because we have seen him try to flirt with nazi symbolism before.

Please, let us not start forcefully removing ambiguous statements from people's sigs, and flags of people being genocided because it shames some people who have an open and clear bias towards a religious ethno state. Seriously, Isreal is not made to be a state of freedom. It is made to be an ethno state for jewish people. That is their express political purpose. The purpose is a safe place for jews to be jewish, so it is not a free area where everyone can be themselves without fear the government would use a religious doctrine to curb their behavior.

The very idea that Isreal is some sort of state of freedom for anyone other than jewish people is absurd and an open lie. Do remember that @Dr. Krieg and @14thDoctor when you try to claim they are not a religious state based on freedom for people to be people. That is not what Isreal is when you say that it is needed to be a safe place for jews to be jews and have it protected by the government. Also, do note I actually see that reasoning as good in this world that has repeatedly violated the jews right to exist. I do not want that to correspond to kill all palestinians and muslims, but I am cool with Isreal existing for the jews because the world loves to fuck with the jews and they should have a place for those to live free of the harassment in a celebration of their heritage. I also think that for Islam, christianity, and other religions who have their own ethno or religious states.

After careful consideration I have added the free palestine motto to my sig. It is important for Palestine to stop suffering under the genocidal actions of Isreal for there to ever be healing and peace.

From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.

Says nothing of killing the jews or destroying Isreal. It says free Palestine. Just like Black Lives Matter never said white lives did not, and the radical right tried to demonize the saying as anti-white prejudice when it isn't, it is obvious the Zionists, who are Isreali supremacists, have tried the exact same lie regarding free palestine sayings. It is disgusting, and it clearly denotes a racist point of view when a group tries to pretend speaking for those they oppress is some sort of hatred for their group.

Isreal commits many warcrimes under the supposed umbrella of anti semetic jewish victimization. It is wrong and disgusting.

You can blow out a candle, but you can't blow out a fire. Once the flames begin to catch the wind will blow it higher.

Feel free to start blowing on this fire and see what happens. The best bet you have is to have your discussions about the issue, do not threaten to ban statements of peace and an end to violence, and let this pass. I wield no power but wisdom here. Let it die and do not give it air.

The governor of Missouri also suppressed an analysis by state health officials that masking reduced covid infections and deaths.

And Florida excess deaths surged while the Republican fired the head of the state website for Covid because she saw in real time how they were suppressing the numbers, then threatened to jail the data scientist. Then they simply stopped publishing covid deaths - we only found out in 2023 what the numbers were in 2021 due to a FOIA request against the government that took 2 years to battle in the courts.

https://blog.ucsusa.org/anita-desik...n-florida-and-missouri-to-hide-covid-19-data/

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireS...it-covid-data-agrees-provide-weekly-103841665

Good thing that Florida investigated Florida and found there wasn't sufficient evidence to come to a conclusion.

I am not sure what is going on, but I cannot PM @Amaris anymore. Maybe I pissed her off and she needs to tell me why, but I figure there is some hanky panky going on due to the signature.

So if I go, @steve2^4 knows my contact info.

She's got admin rights and probably needed a break from this place.

Holidays are always depressing.

That may be so. The present views of both the ukraine and palestinian war are fuckng disgusting and toxic. Even in my gorelust I have chosen to view only by proxy as I know how much it hurts my heart and I know what others are seeing by their descriptions.

I am going to take somewhat a step back and let the WF moderators do their thing and trust in the experience I have had with them. It has worked out so far and I have to beware of my temper. some reactions cannot be stopped once you light the spark. I learned that when watching customerssuck get destroyed for many many years after I introduced some trolls to their site. I actually liked the idea of the place, but they were already a bunch of angry motherfuckers and the troll fire hitting them ended up in a bit of a long intense burn I have chosen not to return to.

Sometimes when you play with fire you burn your toys in ways that pervert their existence. Don't light things you agree with on fire because of a little banning due to you being a dick. Not to mention it is real dangerous to direct that many trolls and not get eaten by the stampede. You really have to know what you are doing when you stealth. Had I made a mistake I would have burned on ED at the time. That would have been really great for my career in the real world.

I haven't changed anything, so it's not on my end.

It's Tamar's ghost in the machine.

Can't be, it's not emailing me for pirated Dr Who eps.