Does Having the Palestinian Flag as Your Avatar Warrant a Ban?

Her career in the Netherworld is much the same, but with less goth makeup.

My demonic symbol is more the cat rather than the cross. furry over leather. Make up is a little annoying for someone who likes to lick.

On the subject of this thread.

There is a literal genocide underway.

It is being carried out by Israel, who are a US client state operating as forward garrison for them in the middle-east. As such the US provides critical military, financial and diplomatic assistance.

Opposition in the west to Israeli malfeasance is ordinarily contained by the mainstream media. In this case, the sheer scale of it and the presence of social media is making the task difficult. Large majorities of people all over the world, including in the United States, are horrified and are making it known.

Unable to deal with dissent via normal mechanisms, there are attempts by elites to turn to more old-fashioned methods - including outright criminalisation. It is from this that expressions of solidarity with the victims - such as flags and slogans - are being denounced as illegitimate.

I have been called an anti-Semite in this thread. Yet I have never uttered or written an anti-Semitic statement in my life.

"Semites" is a category which includes both Jews and Arabs. There are many in both groups which I admire, but no less than anyone else I will criticise them where it is warranted.

The attempt to equate "Jews" with "Israel" (a Jewish ethnostate) is highly sinister. Those who practice it are themselves being anti-Semitic since their implication is that the former are automatically associated with the actions of the latter. (i.e. stating that if you criticise Israel for attacking a hospital, you're criticising all Jews implies that all Jews are responsible.)
It is simply a crude way to try to shut down dissent (one of a few that are trotted out with monotonous regularity). Those who practice it are either too stupid to realise the basic distinction or don't care and are too unprincipled to make the distinction.

The Isreali government really pushed that "If you are critical of our government you are a anti-semite" spin the last 20-odd years...

Agreed. Hamas wants to wipe every Jew off the face of the earth.

So says the Prophet Mohammed.

But the socialist dialectic means that 1) religion has nothing to do with this (lol), and 2) the least powerful entity in any struggle is automatically the most virtuous.

Well said, and I have to say I have not heard you come off as anti-semetic or anti-jewish. The same with @Amaris . It is a downright disgusting tactic to try and associate a free palestine saying with kill all jews in an attempt to silence that idea. In this case it is some jews here who are doing just that because they are clearly anti-muslim.

Look at how this has worked for you. A couple of days ago there was no one with from the river to the sea palestine will be free in their sig, and now you have three. Just like saying black lives matter was demonized, people made it heard and said because they freaked the fuck out with their all lives matter whining. What does all that do? It shows the prejudice. If you say palestine should be free means you hate all jews? That is just some idiot putting hate words into something that does not mean that.

Fucking @Dr. Krieg is a fucking idiot thinking that trying to remove that statement would foly and not expose him as a zionist asshole. Right alongside of him is @14thDoctor . Your jewish superior attitude has been noted. Your dishonesty claiming orthodox jews support GLBT people is just as much of a disgusting trap because I know if you didn't need the gay world to side with you then you would have your rabbis doing conversion therapy and killing faggots in Isreal. The only reason Isreal's orthodoxy hasn't is because they know what sort of backlash would come from them acting on their Levitican law.

Oh yeah, that one too. That just doesn't seem to be working out as well as Isreal cleansing the palestinians. I am pretty sure we have protected the Isrealis from that fate so far, so now we need to prevent Isreal from doing it to others.

Both of these things are false. And I'm not big on dialectics either.

You know, there's a philosophical principle when it comes to discourse called the "principle of charity", which suggests that to be effective, you should assume that the best possible interpretation of your opponents statement is the one that they meant to convey. It suggests not automatically attributing falsehood and fallacy. You might want to look into that. As things stand you routinely argue against things people haven't said. I'm probably going to block you soon as I can't be arsed with it.

OMGH who would have thought demiurge would have taken the CHUD position.

Don't you have some high school girl's swimming matches to watch, or maybe they don't do that anymore? You are still paying attention to that shit, right?

Yeah, I fucking thought so.

dumiurge is about as intellectually honest as @Steal Your Face

Whether you agree with this or not it's something I see constantly from the far left. It's particularly ridiculous when people in the US or Canada are saying that oppressed people have the right to murder colonizers. I see it a dozen times a day on Reddit.

And I notice I didn't mention you by name at all when I said it. But thanks for lecturing me on the principle of charity.

But sure, go ahead and do what you need to do.

Oh yeah, people saying colonizers can be killed on reddit is a lot like the colonizers actually killing in an attempt to ethnic cleanse palestine. sure, that is the same thing.

Oh, did the words on reddit hurt your little feewings? Go suck some white phosphorus and get back to me on which pain is worse. Go have your water, food, electricity, and medicine get cut off and tell me how much those words on reddit really make you feel bad. Go clean up the body parts of your neighbors and suffer amputations and burns from indiscriminant rockets being fired into your neighborhood because someone lied and said there might be a hamas terrorist somewhere around your home so they had to throw random explosives at you rather than come and get the person they know is there while letting you live safely.

do me a favor and lay down and show me where the butthurt is, I got some magic pisswater that will help with all that red.

I don't think the "from the river to the sea" slogan necessarily indicates a support of genocide (particularly when used by Westerners). But I do think the idea that an independent Palestine would be "free" to be anything but a theocratic, highly repressive Muslim state is just laughably naive. Maybe Israel isn't much better. But does the world really need another Iran?

Not that it matters, because Israel isn't going anywhere. From an American standpoint, it's best to rein Israeli policy in as best we can and encourage as much moderation as possible when dealing with the Palestinians. The Israelis aren't going to roll over and let their nation die no matter how much people protest in the West.

No there isn’t

In a genocide you don’t warn people that you’re going to be striking their locations with your military

In a genocide you don’t provide food and medical care to the people fleeing the hot zones

In a genocide you don’t release prisoners

In a genocide you don’t allow your opponents to more than double their population over a decade

In a genocide you don’t negotiate, period

Honestly i can’t overstate how full of shit you “it’s a genocide” people are

This is why you get labelled anti semites. Because you go above and beyond with falsehoods like this in order to make Israel appear much more monstrous than they are

It takes a monster to know a monster. Israel is heading down that path.

There is much they could have done to avoid and circumvent bloodshed.

Having more money, intelligence and resources gave them the means to prevent this.

Reminds me of someone else. No wait, it's gone. Crap I need an infusion.

So says the guy trying to pretend a genocide is not happening by arguing semantics. It is great how the mass murder of everyone including women and children in an attempt to ethnically cleanse a region of a population of people, which is a genocide BTW, is somehow excused because some dolt in Canadia thinks a grammar lesson makes that all awesome.

Good try, I give that four daytons and a the boy.

Get back to repping me bitch.

Oh wow another word salad by terewhatever

Welp we sure now totally agree with whatever it is you just said, thanks for that

'Genocide' is a sexy word that galvanizes people to action (even if it's just on the keyboard). If Israel is committing genocide, they're doing a piss poor job of it.

Is Israel committing war crimes? Probably.

Is Israel engaging in ethnic cleansing? Possibly.

But genocide? No. That's like saying the Allies were genociding Germans in the bombing campaign.

And if I'm on the wrong side of history because I don't necessarily support Israel giving up its sovereignty and allowing a Palestine "from the river to the sea," run by and for Palestinians, I'm okay with that. The only way that's going to happen is with Israel being conquered and forcibly dissolved. That'll end up potentially costing millions of deaths from the effects of nuclear warfare alone. And in this scenario, the surviving Jews would certainly fare no better than the Palestinians do now. Is that what strident pro-Palestine people want? I doubt it. Two wrongs don't make a right, do they?

Any peaceful solution has to involve the two sides coming to terms with the fact they both can't have it all. Israel can't occupy Palestinian territories. Palestine can't lob rockets into Israel. Honestly, the only realistic way a fair compromise will be reached is if it's imposed by other nations. Maybe someday.

Even were that so and I am wrong about genocide, the charge is one against Israel, not against Jews. You don't get to ignore the very great distinction. The people responsible are Benjamin Netanyahu, his government and his military. Not Jews generally, either in Israel or elsewhere. If you believe that they share a collective responsibility for whatever Israel does, then you are the anti-Semite.

To deal with some of what you said, the Israelis did not provide food or medical care. They imposed a "total siege" at first and under international pressure eventually allowed others to provide an inadequate volume of this to some parts of the Gaza strip. Ditto the negotiations and hostage releases. This was on the table at the very start, rejected and eventually revisited under pressure from both other countries and the hostage families. They may yet be forced by such pressure to modify or abandon the entire campaign, but that won't alter the nature of it until now.

If you understand genocide to refer solely to an attempt at complete extermination (as was the case in the holocaust) you are mistaken.
Genocide is defined by convention as:

The international experts in this field have declared that what we're seeing meets that definition, being a "textbook case".
What we've seen are the most severe depravities in warfare (if you can call it that) for decades.

In addition to the blockade on water, food and fuel.
They have systematically targeted and destroyed the healthcare sector in Gaza.
They've targeted journalists (and their families).
UN aid workers (and their families).
Power generation - generators, fuel tanks and solar panels.
Mosques.
Schools.
Fishing boats.
Ambulances.
Bakeries.
Water tanks.
Communications.
More than half of the housing stock in the entire Gaza strip.
They use 2,000lbs bombs in urban warfare. Never a paragon of virtue in this regard, the US when fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan considered 500lbs bombs too big for that.
The rules of engagement have been relaxed to the point where everyone is considered a threat until proven otherwise.
Allowable "collateral damage" ratios are multiple times of what they they have been in other conflicts.
Over a million people are displaced with no shelter.

And of course, thousands of children. (The proportion of women and children being killed by itself illustrates that the attacks are indiscriminate.)

By making the conditions for life in the Gaza strip impossible and killing vast numbers of people (something like 1% of the population in just over a month and counting) Israeli actions meet at least the first three clauses of the genocide convention.

Most of this is just completely open. Everyone is simply labelled as "Hamas", to the point where that includes all of civil society in Gaza.
While we get the standard boilerplate about precision strikes from snakes like John Kirby on the US side and even to some extent from the (mostly risible) Israeli PR people, when they're talking to their base they are quite explicit. It's usually difficult with genocide to prove intent, but not here. The dehumanisation (obediently repeated by cheerleaders on Wordforge) is utterly sickening.

"We will turn Gaza into an island of ruins." - Netanyahu
"It is an entire nation that is responsible. This rhetoric about civilians not being involved is untrue." - President Herzog.
"We're rolling out Nabka 2023" - Avi Dichter, member of Israeli security cabinet.
"Animal humans will be treated accordingly." - Ghasian Allen, IDF Major General.
"The focus is on destruction, not accuracy." - Daniel Hagari, IDF spokesman.
"There will be no electricity, no fuel, everything is closed. We are dealing with human animals and will act accordingly." - Yoav Gallant, Defense Minister.

Netanyahu made reference to Amalek, a biblical story where Yahweh instructs his people to kill men, women, children and babies, down to the last sheep and goat.

Just a partial sample. So yeah, it's genocide. These are criminal scumbags who ought to be punished for that. In reality we know that they will probably be shielded by the United States. But it might just be possible that (like Vladimir Putin) they are forced to look over their shoulders for the rest of their lives fearing arrest, with a very short list of possible holiday destinations.

1. You're so full of shit.

2. I gave you that exact same definition of genocide when Russia was stealing Ukraine's children, and you worked very hard to ignore it. Remember this?

But now you're happy to use a bunch of quotes to justify declaring something a genocide. Not even actions, just quotes. But you're not an anti-Semite.

All right, here's the difference between the swastika and the Palestinian flag.
Hindsight.
The Nazis definitively lost, were crushed, the Nazi party was oblivion-ized, the Nazis were put on trials, and executed, and the Nazi flag was banned by the next German government. Oh, and their crime scenes were turned into museums.
All of that carved the verdict of history in marble.

This Hamas shit is still is till squiggling around like live gagh.
It's like nailing Jell-o to the wall.

When Hama is wiped out, and there's a bunch of 10/6 museums, then you can ban Amaris with a throbbing boner in your drawers.

So by that logic you couldn't force someone to take down a Swastika in WWII until AFTER the war was over?

Yeah, I think we'll take a pass on that.

It doesn't matter anyway. Admins have regularly been breaking the rules here for years. No one is going to force Amaris to do anything.

And not the only time:

We were infested with Nazi groups during WWII.
Depending how embedded the fuckers were in your town, no, you probably couldn't get it taken down.

The South Park pic isn't CP.
Get over it.
Wacko.

It's clearly trolling another user outside of the Red Room, incel.

Aww, did I hit a nerve? LOL.