El Chup appears to have passed away

I've already said this, but if he did choose to end his life, I'm really sorry to think that he spent his last moments feeling alone and lost. And from what he posted in the past, he wouldn't have felt comfortable or even wanted to post anything on here, considering the past treatment he received when he did post some of his personal issues.

I really hope that it wasn't that.

not likely - I'm sure he had many other things going on in his life than wordforge in the grand scheme of things.

How does poor white trash like you get gout?

Yet he never once forgave the board collectively for trashing his fianceé. I wasn't even here when it happened because I literally had no internet at home for eight months once and he screamed at me personally for it, including on the last post of his I read before putting him back on ignore two weeks before he died.

Ed is absolutely correct in saying he'd want none of us to know if he'd offed himself and probably had a stipulation in his will against making it public knowledge specifically because of Wordforge.

No woman I've ever met held a grudge like Chup. Not saying that as a diss, it's just facts.

Ok, so why was Chup fat?

I didn't mean to imply that he placed any blame on the board if he did kill himself. I meant to say that if he did, or was having thoughts about it, he wouldn't have mentioned it on here. He mentioned several times that the board trashed his ex, and he also mentioned that he had depression. And on both items, he felt that received poor treatment on here. From what I could make of him, he felt very driven, and he felt that his occupation made or broke him. And that he wanted to be seen as very successful and probably took any failures deeply. And not only would he not want anyone on here to know he killed himself, but would not any knowledge of it anywhere.

Which is why I make it a point to never post personal issues. People on the internet are just too vindictive and mean spirited. While I didn't always see eye to eye with Chup, Im glad that I never did that.

Im hoping that it wasn't suicide either. I know the holiday season isn't always a joyous occasion for everyone, but I certainly hope that it was simply natural causes.

I didn't know he was fat. Regardless, you don't have to be a fundamentalist Christian to be fat - it's not a prerequisite or anything. That said do you have to be fat to have gout? Again I've never met anyone with gout.
Until 2006 I never worked with anybody who was fat because I was in the military from 1980 until 2006 except for four years working construction 1985-1988 in Phoenix AZ and we worked at such a breakneck pace in the heat most of the year that everyone stayed thin. So perhaps there is a link between fat and gout, probably diet related or something. Regardless, gout is not on my radar.

From his memorial photo, unless it's an old one, Chup wasn't fat and Poodle is just being a cunt as per usual.

As for gout, whilst being overweight can contribute, it can also be brought on by consuming lots of certain food and drink. I am in the overweight category, but the only time I suffered gout was when I was on a high-protein, low carb diet. Shellfish and smoked fish like mackerel, or pink fish like salmon, can cause buildup of the urea crystals. I was also drinking bitter/stout at the time rather than wine because I can't drink as much of it due to the gassiness. Dark beers are known for inducing gout, it seems.

When I had the attack, I noticed a lot of people on forums saying it was a risk of paleo diets.

So don't eat dinosaurs?

It also doesn't help when they're raised in a theology that says they're horribly flawed, and unsalvageable without an outside agent to come and rescue them from themselves and their horrible humanity. I've been out of Christianity for 10 years now, and I'm still dealing with that mindset.

I'd rather just walk the dinosaur!

seriously though the paleo-diet has major drawbacks, the primary one being it's not sustainable over the long haul. Even though we evolved as hunter-gatherers we generally gathered more than we hunted. That aside even if a society was very successful at hunting the very processes that enabled them to kill & eat a lot of meat took a lot more time, effort and strength than they would today. For example today if I want to eat meat I just swing by a grocery store on my way home, buy a steak, throw it on the grill and that's it. 30,000 yeas ago I would burn calories practicing throwing my rocks or spears or maybe building nets, burn calories traversing the woods finding game, burn calories building a fire without matches, occasionally burning calories fighting other meat eaters to keep my meat, etc. etc.

My point being you can't expect great results from a strictly paleo diet in 2018 without doing the required paleo activities in 2018 to get that meat. If we only eat the paleo food but eat too much of it or don't exercise much/stay physically active we won't look like a caveman - we will just be a slow weak fat guy who doesn't shit regularly because all he eats is meat instead of all the roots, grasses, berries, etc. paleos also ate, and perform the labor required to obtain & process these foods. Granted our bosses (my boss anyway) don't pay us to gather acorns & mushrooms and chase coyotes away from freshly killed animals and take them for ourselves from 9-5 Monday-Friday or we'd all be in great shape! Nice work if you can get it though!

Isn't it time to rename the thread to "El Chup has passed away", or is it past?

It depends on what you mean. If by "is it past?" you could mean it's a given that El Chup has indeed passed away thus there is no "appears to" in play here. Or you could mean "passed away" is spelled wrong and should be "past away".
That said "El Chup appears to have passed away" is indeed grammatically correct. But a sentence such as "baseball is a fun passed time" would not be correct.

I did cover all bases with whatever comes next, which could easily include nothing.

Tererun kind of sums up my feelings about - you go back to doing whatever you did before you were born. I don't remember any of it so I'm thinking I didn't accomplish much
before I was born. Death is a great equalizer though.....we may not get to live the same amount of time, but we all get to be dead for the same amount of time - forever!

Hmmm, his death was sudden and unexpected. He was a lawyer and annoyingly arrogant. This is a star trek geek board.

Why am I the only one suggesting the elevator doors opened and he was not paying attention and the car was not there when he stepped in and he plunged to his death suddenly? Am I the only person here who watched LA law and TNG back in the day?

Because elevators do not work like that. The outer doors, the doors you stand in front of while waiting for the elevator, will not open unless an elevator car is on that floor. The inner doors, that are on the elevator car itself, are what open those outer doors.

You can open the outer doors if the car is not there if you have an elevator key. That would give you access to the shaft. Firefighters use them for rescue operations and of course elevator companies have them for repair/maintenance work. The hole you see on the door is where the key goes.

That scene in LA Law would not happen in real life.

Yes, a lot of things that happen on TV cannot happen IRL, but it was a hell of a death scene, and I certainly was not hoping chup actually fell down an elevator shaft.

You should really call the doctor to have that stick removed.

I actually did see an "elevator of death" in Iraq! When my unit was in Al Asad (near Syria) we were working out of a very tall (the tallest ever built in Iraq) air traffic control tower. The elevator and ground floor operations got destroyed by a bombing raid (thanks air force) but the tower remained intact, but you had to use the stairs. We had the shaft entrance boarded up so nobody made a wrong turn and plunged to their death.

Chup dead, oh wtf.

This thread has pretty much run its Red Room course. Feel free to post in this one or the other El Chup thread in this sub forum but remember that it's the Green Room.

Did anyone ever find out for certain El Chup (Barry Weir)'s cause of death? And why was there so much speculation about suicide?

It was speculated because of his mental health issues, and strongly implied by whatever obituary was found.

I don't remember him having some significant mental health issues. I seem to recall he had a bout or two with depression but I didn't think this was a major problem.

The thing about depression is most people don't have it until they've committed suicide.

Sorry, I didn't mean for it to be cryptic. It's just, you always see people saying "he seemed so happy like he didn't have a care in the world!" or "he was always laughing!" These people don't see the depression until it manifests itself in negative ways. Honestly, mental health issues are still a source of shame for a lot of people, which is something we desperately need to fix, especially in the United States.

I don't know. I think when we act like depression is simply a medically treatable condition and that we can medicate it away then perhaps we put too much pressure on people when medication doesn't necessarily improve their mental states.

Mental health is about more than medication. Medication is only one avenue for treatment.