F*ck off until you learn to speak English. Next?

Oh please, I'm not "threatened" by you and your ilk, I'm disgusted by you and your claims of cultural "understanding" which more often than not comes off as condescension.

Here's some condescension for you, jackass.

I don't know. I wasn't around back then, but probably. I kept my head down 23 years over here; I'm sure I could go longer over there if I had to.

Yep.

First generation picks up very little English. For social support and access to ethnic goods and services they will generally cluster in a small area with others from their place or origin.

Second generation is raised in this cluster. The are bi-lingual but English is their secondary language. Aside from school most activities (church, sports, social events, etc) are conducted within their ethnic group so they will still have a strong connection with their parents home country.

HOWEVER since the 2nd generation does have a good command of English and access to education, they have the ability to leave the ethnic cluster in pursuit of better opportunities. Their kids will be raised in 'mainstream' American environment, mixed English/second language is spoken at home but English is their primary language as everywhere else (sports, church, social events etc) it is the language spoken. They will identify as American first.

This pattern has existed for centuries here in America and has changed little. However every time a new group comes in it's all :skyisfalling: .

Your inability to get UBB coding right? Yup, you're a jackass, alright.

Shrug, I'm on my phone can't really tell what the error is. But your complaint is an excellent example off why you're a whiny bitch, never looking past the superficial.

Oh, look. The hypocrite Albert is trying to force his personal values on to everyone else again. Just more proof that libertarians are all full of shit cry babies who just don't want to pay their taxes.

I thought you determined UA wasn't really a libertarian.

Now you're saying he is... you trying an over-generalized jab at a political affiliation again? Tsk tsk.

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Let me know when he twists your arm so hard he rips it from the socket with a sound like unto the thick, wet tearing of a chicken leg as it is rent from the screaming feathered beast.

Fuckin' pussy you are, getting told something you don't like equals being "forced." Fuck off with your pansy ass self.

I bet it gives you some kind of comfort to think so. Now do what I told you and fuck off.

You're really one to talk. Why not start another thread in The Help Desk to bitch about Clyde again while you're at it?

Wat ben je toch een klootzak...

Don't you have some perceived trolling to report in MC? Scram,

Fucking HAWAIIANS wanting to speak HAWAIIAN in HAWAII. The nerve of some people.

And you know the neanderthal that started this thread would be the first one bitching about it the other way if he was Hawaiian and the government didn't allow him to do business in his native tongue.

What a douchebag.

Let's see....if I move to China and go to the Chinese version of the DMV, I guess I should then be allowed to protest that they wont serve me in Engrish!

Of course then I'd be dragged out back and shot, but hey, I still stood up for my rights!

Racist!

Not following the thread, are we?

Native Hawaiian. Wanting to speak Hawaiian. In Hawaii.

Here's the part of the article that Uncle Al missed, probably because he's retarded and has poor reading comprehension:

Case fucking closed. Hawaii has two official languages: English and Hawaiian. Whether it's used formally or informally is irrelevant. It's enshrined in law. If you don't want people to speak Hawaiian, change the fucking law. Simple.

Erm, no. More like Chinese speakers in Hong Kong wanting to speak Chinese at the DMV during the British colonial period. I recognize that also isn't the perfect analogy, but it's far more accurate than yours, which involves a foreigner coming to a country that already speaks a different language.

Or did you think Hawaiian speakers came from somewhere other than Hawaii?

It doesn't matter. Hawaiians are not in charge, the US is in charge. And here in the US we speak and conduct business in English.

Just to put things into perspective, less than the two percent of the population speaks Hawaiian. For the whole State, less than 200 speak it as a first language.

I guess you missed the part about it being "reserved for ceremonial occasions," dipshit.

Dance, motherfucker, dance!

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That's why I said change the law. As long as some statute or constitutional provision recognizes it as an official language, the government has certain obligations in terms of protecting the language and/or offering services in it.

We have the same problem in Canada. Outside of Quebec, less than 4% of the population speaks French as their native language. Yet because of our federal constitution all consumer goods packaging and government services must be provided in both official languages. It's completely stupid and an enormous waste of money and resources.

Going for the dumber than CaptainX award today? The language of business is whatever one it takes to make the deal. But this discussion regards the language of government. In Hawaii, that's English and Hawaiian.

No, it's very explicitly "English for official functions, Hawaiian for ceremony."

Yes and no. I would add two major caveats to that:

1) There are many first generation immigrants who learn the language fluently. The process often goes much faster than what you describe.

2) When enough immigrants arrive at once, they change the language. How many Europeans in America were speaking the native languages by the third generation?

I agree with you in principle: If they accept Hawaiian as an official language, they should be prepared to use it.

Nevertheless, you are making the mistake of applying Canadian law to an American state. Just because Canadian law means that an "official" language must be able to be used everywhere does not mean that the law in Hawaii means the same thing. It would be interesting to see exactly what Hawaiian law says about the status of an "official" language. Only if it reads like Canadian law (which it almost certainly doesn't) do the legal implications you raise apply.

CEREMONIAL.

On a related note, I rewatched Battleship last night, while house-sitting for someone who has cable.

It's still ball-achingly terrible.