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His body was male. You keep trying to gloss that over.

And people with amputee identity disorder think they shouldn't have one of their limbs, and no amount of talking to them is going to convince them otherwise.

The two arguments often overlap, because the idea of gender only being a social construct is often used as "proof" that people with gender dysphoria actually are whatever sex they say they are, simply by virtue of just saying so. David's case is then usually brought up, in spite of the fact it actually shows the opposite of what they claim.

So your "solution" is that transgender kids should deprive themselves of the right to have the same opportunities as any other kid?

Is participating in school sports a right?

No, he should have been allowed to wrestle on the boys team.

Finally got a hole in eight

No, but having the same ability as any other kid to try out and be judged on your abilities is.

By the way, it's very telling how conservatives keep falling back on the "but is it a right?" schtick.

Translation: "Well, is there any law stating that we can't be complete and utter dicks and shit on people we don't understand? No? They, YAY! Let's do it!"

Nobody has been arguing anything different.

As to X's claim about him not being able to compete against natal cis males...well, the jury's still out on that since this is the first generation of trans kids being allowed to transition at puberty and not retroactively decades later. All evidence points to there being minimal differences. But you look at that guy and tell me he'd get mowed over in the ring. - Anna

the thing with "fighting sports" (wrestling, MMA, boxing, kick-boxing, etc) is every-single-bit of muscle matters. It's best to be "big for your body weight" meaning if both competitors have the same skill level and you are both 125# but one person has a higher percentage of muscle to fat (which is inevitable if you have have more testosterone in your system) they have a huge advantage. Even a small percentage more of lean muscle weight can be a huge advantage. This is why fighting sports have weight classes and drug testing - to take out all the variables so that the competitors are as evenly matched as possible - with the deciding factors in victory being who can fight smarter, faster, or who has more heart.

This is not chess, badminton, basketball, or frisbee golf. And wrestling is a sport with one-on-one physical confrontation and is a "pure" fighting sport meaning a limited number of moves and techniques are allowed. That said, wrestling boils down to who is stronger, faster, or more conditioned in both cardio-vascular and cardio-respiratory fitness. All of these factors are significantly enhanced by more testosterone. But I'm sure you knew that.

I think we need a glossary for all of the terms.

Way to be captain x dumb. Given how fucked up he is I consider it a compliment.

Stupid analogy. Bobbitt did not have his testes removed. A little lesson for your stupid ass. Your penis really has very little to do with your male attributes. For a person of your lacking mental capacity it is pretty much a straw. Losing your nuts OTOH will effect your male body more due to hormonal changes and functionality. Soit is not even close to the same thing you stupid ignorant fuck. Also David was on female hormones during puberty and had the doctor noticed male level hormones he would have provided things like testosterone blockers.

You really should actually read about the full caffeinated of some right wing idiot's interpretation. You are a fucking moron. You should be ashamed to be spouting this level of stupid in public. Your tribe called and they are revoking your membership out of shame.

Is it?

Because you keep trying to make an argument on that basis.

That's intellectually dishonest and you know it.

First off nothing is going to change if he just accepts it a d goes away. That is why people like you try to intimidate and bully people like him. If you get through he goes away and you can keep your bubble. That means you can hurt and insult more people under the guise of protecting values that need to go away. Sorry different people make you uncomfortable and angry.

The second thing is every fucking male takes testosterone you ignorant ass. As a matter of fact it is in women's bodies also. It is not a choice not to take testosterone as it is a developmental hormone. You are thinking of anabolic steroids. Those are not testosterone. What would be used for hrt for a female to male trans person would be given to match normal male development. Going overboard would cause damage to things like the liver and kidneys which most people find useful, even trans people. So the levels of testosterone would be prescribed and monitored and comparable to a man. You know, the thing you claim to be.

Oh, and most legit trans therapists and doctors do not fuck around because hormones have a lot of effects on the body and you could fuck someone up real bad by giving the wrong prescription. Then all the right wing SJWs would call for their license and lives if they started screwing up. It is not because the care, but like abortion less doctors means harder to transition.

Even if he had, that wouldn't change the fact he was male.

That sure seems to be the argument you're making.

Except David was always physically male. In the end that won out, regardless of the social conditioning he underwent and in spite of the attempts to make him physically female.

I didn't get this information out of some right-wing blog, as you apparently fantasize about. I actually watched a documentary about it, and there's the wikipedia article (hardly a right-wing organization) and its various sources. The facts of the case are not in dispute - the interpretation of them is. The regressive left argues his case proves their social construct argument when in fact it proves the opposite, and the aspect they tend to overlook is the horrible effect it had on David himself.

Whatever you say there, Herr Goebbels.

Your interpretation is wrong, and that has been shown over and over. Do you have anything to add?

I'm neither bullying or intimidating anyone.

I'm not uncomfortable nor angry. I'm trying to see that people are treated justly.

Men don't take testosterone (unless they've got some medical condition or they're juicing); they naturally produce it.

How many girls on the wrestling team take testosterone?

Yes, but go back to 6th grade and learn about how sex hormones cause male and female bodies to develop differently. Women produce minute amounts of testosterone, far, far less than this trans wrestler is taking. That's why women look like women and this person is looking rather male.

Testosterone is an anabolic steroid. That's why many athletes aren't allowed to juice on it.

No one's arguing that.

What's being argued is if it's appropriate for a person who "matches normal male development" to wrestle in competition with those who match normal female development.

I don't have any confusion about my sex or gender.

What is your point here? That a girl who takes enough testosterone to induce male sex characteristics is somehow fit to wrestle girls?

I think this kid should just stick to golf and avoid all this drama.

I don't get why people like wrestling in the first place.

Obviously any female participating in fighting sports is not allowed to have a testosterone level even close to that approaching a male. The highest allowed testosterone level of a female doesn't meet the lowest testosterone level of a male. There is zero overlap or gray area here. Juicing is juicing, period. PED are PED period.

I like fake wrestling.

I don't get why people play basketball. But people like different sports, and rules are rules. And testosterone levels are a huge factor in one-on-one physical confrontation once they are divided up into matching weight classes. It's a matter of physics.

Fuck I hate fake wrestling. I'd rather watch regional female MMA than I would that phony crap.

That shit was hilarious to be as a kid. I remember one plot about one wrestler taking another's dog named Pepper then turning it into Pepper steak

Still has better continuity than Daytime soap operas

His brain was most likely the main reason, though you can't discount his chromosomes and the genetic information they contained. But the sticking point here is that his brain was male because it was in a male body. Undoubtedly its structure conformed to what would be average for males.

Whatever you say there, Herr Goebbels.

Actually, your take is ignorant and fucked up as per usual.

Boggs WANTS to compete against boys, he does NOT like competing against girls. Why did it happen?

Because the state athletic policies in Texas pander to ignorant assholes like you rather than mirroring the policies of the IOC and the NCAA.

No, but being treated equally is. You have real trouble understanding that word when it doesn't suit you, don't you?

Still as ignorant as ever. If I were gobbles you would not have made a single comment my wannabe white racist friend. You see Nazis didn't tolerate people like you. But like every other idea you have you are wrong. Do you ever actually get tired of it, or do you just see how ignorant you can be each day like some sort of contest?

Lung capacity, yes, and reach where it's a factor - although these are GENERAL statements, bet your ass a lot of female recruits had more of both than Chelsea Manning had when she went by Bradley - but not strength, upper body or otherwise, after a year on HRT.

The athletic organizations (IOC and NCAA) has had extensive scientific studies done on the subject and the presumed advantage DOES NOT EXIST.

For all intents and purposes, a year of HRT normalizes one's physical capability in the sex-normal range of the sex transitioned to. Yes, there are outliers in certain gross measures (i.e. if you had a high-end-of-range-for-a-male reach before, you will have after) but their are outliers among non-trans persons as well.