Gun Deaths Now the Third Leading Cause of Death in American Children

But....most of them are black, right?

You really hit the nail on the head with that post.

Better social commitment from communities would improve society on so many levels.

Already exists. The National Instant Check System (NICS) has been in use for many years. A phone call from the gun seller establishes if the buyer is on a no-buy list. The seller then tells the buyer to GTFO of the store.

Thanks, I didn't know the the background checks were "instant." I thought they were 3 day background checks.

Educating myself on NICS this can provide instant (well, quick anyway, under 10 minutes) approval, but it may delay the response for up to 3 days. If 3 days elapse the transfer (sale) is approved by default.

I interpret Paladin's remarks as he would remove the possibility of a 3 day period and if instant approval were not available grant the transfer rights immediately.

NICS is only required for licensed dealers (FFL) and interstate transfer of firearms. It is not required for private transfers within a state unless the state has laws requiring it. Only 10 states and D.C. require some form of checks for intrastate private transfers.

Paladin is in favor of universal background checks. How do you think this could be done? Do you think a delay of 3 days is unreasonable?

I thought we already had background checks on everyone who tries to purchase a gun. Is that not true?

Waiting period are in place and vary by state, Their utility has always been in question. It's called a "cooling off period." The intent was to prevent angry people from excusing themselves from an argument, buying a gun, and going back to shoot the person they were arguing with. I'm not entirely sure this has ever actually happened.

But was HAS actually happened: there are instances of, for example: a young woman being stalked; the police are unhelpful; the stalker threatens her life; desperate, she goes to buy a gun to protect herself; there's a 3 day "cooling off period"; the stalker finds out and rapes and kills her before the three days are up.

I'm sure someone will start crying "anecdotal!' as if this is an official debating forum, I've read of several similar events, and they sure ain't anecdotal to the dead girl.

Yes, the NICS system, mentioned above.
I'm not personally clear on private sales, though. I'm aware that if I want to sell one of my guns, I have to do it through a licensed dealer. I think the purchaser and myself both go to a gun store, and they take care of the paperwork, and do a NICS check. Never done it, so I'm not sure.

Maybe we can focus our efforts as much on the "unhelpful police" part of it as the "everyone should have access to guns" part.

As so many people have brought in nearly every rape story, women are manipulative attention whores, so why wouldn't a woman lie about being beaten or stalked by a side boo who is looking to tell her boyfriend/husband about their affair?

(In case it wasn't clear to ShortBusForge, that’s sarcasm.)

Ring around the rosies, a pocket full of posies, ashes ashes, we all fall down!

So we're all agreed then.
Round up all the guns, melt them down for doorknobs and nickels, make the NRA watch the movie of it, and cry.
Pee in their mouths every time they open to let out a sob.
It's logical, right, fair, and just.
Glad we settled that debate.

That must be a New Jersey thing. As far as the BATF is concerned, private sales don't have to go through a NICS check.

Like I said, not sure, since the only time I've sold guns it was to a licensed NJ dealer. I was under the impression back then (25 years ago!) that there was transfer paperwork, but all he did was give me an itemized receipt.

Yes.

The "cooling off" period sounds good, but it's really bullshit. Someone drives to the gun store, picks out a gun, fills out all the paperwork, etc., and is just a seething ball of rage the entire time? Not likely. Of, if they are, 3 days isn't going to change anything.

Believe it or not, gun stores will not sell to people if they think they're in any way a threat. It's not good business, and it's a huge potential liability.

Also, the waiting period is especially bullshit if you already own a gun and you're made to wait to buy a second one. I have a safe full of guns, and when I purchased every single one of them I had to wait out 10 days because California thinks I need to "cool off."

To be clear: I'm in favor of UBC *provided* the concerns I have with it are addressed.

I'm against all waiting periods. You don't wait for any other right.

Yes, we agreed on that, see post 220.
Now close the thread.
Oh, wait...

Orally? Aurally? Nasally? Anally?

Immaculate conception?

I read a supposedly true story recently about a teenage boy and a teenage girl who were adrift in a rubber liferaft for a long time. A while after rescue, she discovered she was preggers. The boy swore he never touched her, and she swore he was telling the truth. He admits to wanking off in his corner of the raft while she was asleep to relieve the tension. So the going theory is, since the raft usually had a few inches of water sloshing around in it, his jizz sloshed over to her side of the raft.

It might deter someone from a rash decision, either suicide or other violence. Is it not worth a bit of patience? If it's any good it's worth waiting for.

Would you like consistent gun laws across the country?

So you take away the rights of a couple of hundred million people because some people might be nuts?

Again, you have to go to the gun store, pick out the gun, fill out the paperwork, and pay. This is not a 2 minute process. (Actually, I just did it today and it took approximately 30 minutes start-to-finish.)

And, again, if you're angry, agitated, impatient, etc., they aren't going to sell you the gun.

And if you're concerned about someone buying a gun and committing suicide, how do you propose to prevent this impulse once they actually own the gun?

No, it isn't. You're making millions of people wait to exercise their rights in the speculative hope that someone, somewhere, maybe, possibly could be helped by doing so.

What freedom could survive on those terms? Maybe there should be a waiting period on buying a car. Or alcohol. Right? If it could prevent something bad from happening somewhere...

Yes, but only if they don't infringe on our rights.

What gets me is the implication by gun control advocates that people decide to commit murder or kill themselves........but then if a gun is not available... they'll say "oh well, too much trouble, not going to bother".

Does that make the remotest sense?

To be honest...yeah...kind of. At least when it comes to suicides. If they go with hanging or jumping off a bridge instead, then yeah...it wouldn't make any difference. If it's eating pills or sitting in a running car in the garage...they could have second thoughts and back out.

I've had to have suicide prevention counseling due to my career as an educator. And I can tell you flat out that very few suicides are "spur of the moment" notions. Most people who actually attempt suicide leave all sorts of "clues" before they actually do. Most likely a subconscious "cry for help".

Toronto is the fifth largest metropolis in North AMerica.
We have about 50 murders a year.
Plenty of long gun owners in these environs, but they've undergone what's likely a far more arduous process to earn that responsibility.

Is it worth noting that your 2nd amendment only is the right to bear arms, but doesn't specify what type?

THat's for those in the thread I take seriously... You don't have to respond.

Don't be foolish. You know I'm not a gun fanatic.

Yeah, but even in the US, long guns aren't a problem. More people are beaten to death bare handed than killed with a long gun.

No, but the Supreme Court ruled that it covers whatever a foot soldier might be expected to carry. That's not the exact verbiage. I'm paraphrasing.

I think that's also covered in the Federalist Papers - basic contemporary soldiery kit.

That didn't sound as flippant in my head before I typed it. Long guns aren't the problem. Any murder is a problem.