Unfortunately I think the same board error that kept @FF from responding to this thread until I called him out will mean he also doesn’t see this response. You typed a lot for nothing. I’m sorry.
Can we talk about A16? Because I seriously want to talk about A16 and contrast it with A1 Above the fold stories concerning Hillary’s emails. A RUSSIAN AGENT GOT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO START AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY AGAINST THE SITTING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA BASED SOLELY ON THE RUSSIAN/REPUBLICAN AGENT’S OWN TESTIMONY FED TO HIM BY RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE! THAT’S IT! That’s all there is! I got nothing more. Am I correct here? Is this not what fucking happened? AM I TAKING CRAZY PILLS OR IS THIS WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED?!?!?
It seems to me -- and I can't say I have a specialty in criminal law, because that's not my practice area -- that if he had already been flipped, the FBI would not have actually charged him with a crime. Now the charging him might be an attempt to flip him, but against whom? The Russians who may have fed him disinformation? The Republicans he passed the disinformation on to? Someone else? It seems to me that trying to use this guy as a witness brings with it the inherent problem of his credibility being particularly in tatters since he's basically either a liar or a dupe, and possibly both. It seems to me if there's illegality adjacent to whatever he did, the case would probably be better made without him being made a central figure. They might be able to get some background from him, but it seems like you would want to corroborate his claims to the point where (hopefully) he himself was secondary or maybe even completely superfluous.
I will give FF perhaps more credit than he deserves here. It seems like a reasonable position to say that if someone is lying about one thing, it's a fair assumption he cannot be trusted about other things/anything. Now attempting to determine whether FF was legitimately raising the issue or just parroting potential Republican/YouTuber talking points is an exercise best left to the reader.
This is true but I feel like I covered my ass with: “With the obvious caveat that this comes from the charging documents of a man being accused of lying to the FBI:”
Let’s see the evidence. You people are all about the evidence, right? Where’s the evidence that this guy lied to the FBI? Where’s the evidence that he got information from Russian spies? Maybe the FBI is lying because he was about to reveal damming evidence against Biden and of course the house select committee can’t interfere with an ongoing investigation, right?
Being charged with a crime doesn’t mean you actually committed said crime. Take the NY fraud case, if Trump actually committed fraud, then why didn’t he get charged in criminal court?Why did the bank say that the didn’t feel that he had defrauded them? Why did they say they were willing to continue to do business with him? Why didn’t they bring a defraud case against him? Why did the governor of NY feel the need to assure NY businessmen that this was a unique case? Who were the victims?
To make winning the case easier, since the penalties were likely to be about the same. And some people like Alan Weisselberg were in fact charged criminally. For all the same reasons Raoul the Red Shirt and I pointed out that you ignored in the other thread, and which I won’t repeat here. No idea. Don’t much care. Given your command of facts, I don’t even know if I believe this happened remotely the way you say it did. The banks, the state government (probably the Feds are waiting until the verdict is secured before going after him for tax fraud too), and everyone who had to pay more in interest to compensate for the market distortion the fraud effected. But we’re talking about Hunter Biden here, aren’t we? Oh wait, I see, we’re actually avoiding talking about Hunter Biden because your star witness turned out to be a Russian asset if not agent, and you’re so embarrassed you have to derail the thread. Got it.
He’s a typical Southern man. He’s already stated he has no need to learn anything more. He’d rather be lied to and fluffed, than to actually think for himself. You won’t get anywhere with him. He embodies everything about the south I hate. If you really want to know how he thinks, check out his post in the Star Wars thread. His idea of a pregnant woman is waddling out the trailer barefoot with a cigarette in her mouth. Most likely the very image of his sister/baby momma last time he visited and is still angry she said Not Again!
After a year of hyping Comer's Burisma fiction on the front page, the NYT has written exactly four stories about the arrest of the central witness (since tied to Russian intelligence): Feb 15 -- Page A15 Feb 17 -- Page A11 Feb 21 -- Page A16 Feb 23 -- Page A17 They ain't gonna do the work for us. https://bsky.app/profile/djlavoie.bsky.social/post/3km3zihign22d
The Dems need to go full court press on this. Ken Buck has stated Comer and Gym Jordan were aware he was a Russian asset. The Dems gotta investigate and find out what the Republicans knew and when did they know it. Intentionally acting on behalf of Russian intelligence to try and take down a president might not technically be a crime (it might, I don’t know) but it is definitely wrong and it needs to be exposed.
Unless it is a crime or you can actually remove them because of it, then do not bother because it is just free campaigning for the two of them. working with the russians to help make the US a fascist republican nation is the feature, and not the bug. That will get more votes for Comer and Jordan. The MAGAt CHUDs love this when done by republicans, and hate it when it is done by democrats. The reason they hate the russians when the dems are supposedly doing it is because they think it will attract repug CHUDs to the democrats. They think this is a good thing, and they hate the dems for using it.
Federal Farmer logic, everybody. Believe the guy right up until the moment that he admits he was lying ... then say "well, he's an admitted liar! So how can we believe his confession?"
If they use the inflated price to get a loan from their bank for a lower interest rate than they would have without the inflated price, absolutely.
Lying to get money you couldn’t otherwise get seems like a pretty textbook definition of fraud but IANAL.
But since you are here @FF what are your thoughts on Ken Buck’s statements? If the Republican congressperson from Colorado is being truthful and Comer and Gym Jordan knew Smirnov was a Russian asset and willingly continued to act on behalf of Russian intelligence to attack the president of the United States is that something you would have an issue with?
Unfortunately for those awaiting a response the board glitch has apparently come back and while @FF is able to see and respond to multiple other threads over the course of the day this one is hidden again.
I haven’t read anything about the guy that the FBI arrested. I have questions. What did he lie about? Who gave him this information? When did he obtain it? How is it relevant to the Biden investigation? Does it take away from the facts in the case? Where’s the evidence?
Would you like some articles to read? I can go pull up the ones posted upthread for you. But regardless you seem to have missed my question. Let’s assume the FBI and DOJ are correct. Let’s assume the Republican congressperson from Colorado is being truthful and Comer and Gym Jordan knew Smirnov was a Russian asset and willingly continued to act on behalf of Russian intelligence to attack the president of the United States. Is that something you would have an issue with?
When you go to a car dealership you know the price of all cars are inflated, right? When you sell a house you attempt to inflate the price of the house do you not? You sell an item on eBay, you inflate the price of that item, do you not? Of course you negotiate the price down to a reasonable amount that you and the buyer agree to. Then the buyer can sell the the same item for a higher price and some dupe can pay that amount, correct? Then you and the original buyer can both agree that they screwed over the other buyer and make a profit? That’s what happened in this case and the buyer agreed to business again. I thought that was capitalism, Mr. Libertarian? Nobody brought a claim except the government, does that sound very libertarian to you? Are you really worried about what the government thinks ?
Those questions regarding any wrongdoing (not sleaziness) on Hunter's conduct remain unanswered as well.
All very interesting questions and we should definitely have a thread on Trump’s criminality. I’m shocked one hasn’t been started and you’re forced to discuss it here. But regardless you seem to have missed my question. Let’s assume the FBI and DOJ are correct. Let’s assume the Republican congressperson from Colorado is being truthful and Comer and Gym Jordan knew Smirnov was a Russian asset and willingly continued to act on behalf of Russian intelligence to attack the president of the United States. Is that something you would have an issue with?
Where did this congressman get this information from? When did he get it? How did he obtain it? What’s his motivation to release it? How did he obtain it? Where’s the evidence?
