How screwed are we in November?

This is the new Republican strat. They disengage themselves from themselves and say that the party had lost its way. Therefore we should vote for them now that they have recognized their mistake.

Where did I say I was voting for them. I wholly intend to vote for Hillary if McCain is the nominee and the election is close...which I seriously doubt it will be. If the GOP wants my vote back, they're going to have to earn it. I'm a conservative first, not a party loyalist.

Well, I'm not explicitly pointing to you. My comment is about the pundits on TV recently.

And yet y'all voted for him. Twice. And spent all the time in between bitching.

Too much work to form a third party. Whine, whine, whine.

If it were up to you guys, there'd still be British ships in Boston Harbor.

Who voted for him? Truth be known, I've voted for far, far more dixiecrats in my lifetime than I have republicans.

Then you're the exception to the rule, apparently. Able to vote for the person, not the party.

You're a fucking idiot. The third point isn't even worth mentioning as it has no relevance to the crises of today, but as to the other points. Firstly, Bush came in under the guise of a conservative, and frankly he held true to alot of it for his first term. The second term is where he totally went traitor. You'll also note two years later, we decided not to show up and try to teach the party a lesson about what happens when they don't do what they're elected for. It seems another demonstration is in order.

And bitch, you're the one talking about "throwing votes away" on third parties. If Ron Paul runs 3rd party, I'll vote for him without any hesitation whatsoever so save your bullshit for someone who's gullible enough to buy it.

Super! So he hastened the inevitable demise of the Soviet Union.

Wow, that's so awesome, I'm going to go and make myself a little Reagan altar and pray to it every day.

Croiky!!!

Go forth, my salivating drops of evil!!!!!

didn't have a pure conservative then either (which is why I didn't vote for him)

He did a FEW good conservative things.....but so would McCain.

I want more than a few - I want a true believer.

So show those clowns a lesson by staying home on election day and dressing up like a clown.

Show me a Republican here saying "Vote Republican" and this post makes sense.

Otherwise, it's Baba with better grammar.

Read the next post I made. All you've gotta do is watch "news" networks on TV and you see all the righty pundits pulling this move.

Very damn few of them. Everyone from Glenn Beck (my new hero in the media the past year or two) to Bill Kristol (blech) is unhappy with a McCain nomination.

The very few who are still saying "don't worry, McCain is at least better than a Dem" are flat out party shills, probably on the Party Dime.

Virtually all conservatives talking heads are anti-McCain and in open revolt against the party.

But Glenn Beck licks Romney's nuts and actively promotes him. In fact I watched his entire show yesterday and he devoted a considerable amount of time to pro-Romney chatter. Romney is basically as bad as McCain. So yeah he is still a party hack.

The only reason these guys are hating on McCain is that THE PARTY doesn't like McCain. They were all still riding dick for the other candidates.

Don't know about the costume but damn straight I won't be voting for a major party in November.
(in exactly the same way that I did not do so in 2004, 2000, 1996, and 1992)

I reserve the right to alter that stand for only one reason: A hard-core young conservative running mate who can be the face of the future of conservatism to the next generation....there are very few people who fit that definition...the only one I can think of at the moment is JC Watts (well, and Bobby Jindal but he needs to spend some time building up cred in LA first)

And I've heard Beck say EXTENSIVELY we have no good option.

He shills for Romney for exactly the same reason Rush and others do....because while FAR from an ideal candidate, he is worlds ahead of McCain.

And Huckabee.

Romney is mildly tolerable as a basically inoffensive but not remarkable "manager" in the office. He is not desirable he is merely tolerable. I am not at all sure that even with a Romney nomination we would not be better off with a few years of extreme liberalism just to remind the sheeple how dangerous it is....might be best long term for true conservatism for even Romney to lose.


But McCain and Huckabee are beyond the pale unacceptable to true conservatives and MUST NOT be allowed to hamstring the conservative movement by being a wolf-in-sheeps-clothing in the White House.

Or, IOW

Personally I applaud McCain for getting his revenge on those dicks who buried him when he was up against Dubya. "Would you still vote for McCain if you found out he had an illegitimate black child?" phone calls were the dirtiest bullshit I've seen pulled.

Also, when I heard how he trickfucked Romney in West Virginia I laughed my ass off.

How would you folks (who are Conservative) define conservative values? Just a general idea, since I know each person may be a little different in how they see those values, but just a rough idea. I see "conservative values" used a lot (not here, but in conversation), even when I was conservative I had my own ideas, but that was years ago, and I'm not sure what it is today's conservatives truly want. The best for the nation? I'm sure, but a little bit of definition would help, if any of you would be so kind to oblige, I'd appreciate it.

J.

You didn't know? McCain made that whole thing up to generate sympathy. That push-poll never existed. No one outside of the campaign ever claimed it existed, and no recording of it ever surfaced.

What happened to the Ron Paul love, J?

Really... that is an interesting tidbit, if in fact true. Still, being a staunch anti-republican, I can still enjoy this bit of subterfuge (whether on the part of Dubya's campaign or McCains).

For J. Allen:

1) True committment to individual liberty in just about every area where you are not posing a deliberate threat to other people.

2) An end to entitlement programs. I think that many true conservatives could get along with the idea of helping those who are truly in need, but no true conservative is in favor of programs that help those who are poor because they won't take responsibility for their own lives and think the government owes them a handout.

3) Serious cuts in both taxation and spending, coupled with a budget that is as nearly balanced as possible.

4) A total refusal to compromise American sovereignty. We won the revolution; we have the right to do things our way. The UN is a fairly good humanitarian force, but a total disaster when it tries to dictate to sovereign countries what they ought to do. That goes double for the world court.

5) An uncompromised and unflinching committment to strong national defense, without any desire to export our own values to other parts of the world and/or impose our rule by force on countries that have not shown themselves to be clear threats to us.

6) A recognition that the separation of powers in the Constitution means that the judiciary does not make laws, period. Some laws are extremely bad, but it is not up to the judiciary to "re-interpret" them so that they are understood as meaning something other than what they clearly say. It is up to the legislature to change them, not the judiciary.

7) A clear understanding that the Bill of Rights is primarily a list of areas in which the federal government is not to intervene, rather than a list of areas in which the federal government ought to intervene to make sure the people have what they want.

8) An unswerving committment to the tenth amendment.

9) A committment to enforcing laws by rewarding those who break the law. "Rewarding them" can mean anything from ridiculous slap-on-the-wrist sentencing to an "aren't these poor people who need our help" attitude, to amnesty for illegal immigrants.

...and that's just off the top of my head.

I've got so many things I'm trying to look at here I don't want to take time for a long post right now, but a good primer would be found at the heritage Foundation website.

Essentially, Reaganism. his views (not necessarily his actions because the nature of our system compromises everything even a strong exec might want to do) are the best summation of what modern conservatism ought to be about.


One of the things I'm looking at right now is a site pushing "New Federalist" as a summation of what we ought to be about - and the site is very Reagan-centric....but I don't want to recommend that until I read it all myself.

It's just indicative of how angry and impotent y'all are.

So you say.

Hasn't been for quite some time. They are all a bunch of rights-reducers and government expanders (still waiting for tangible evidence of "party of small government"). They just also make a token tax cut before they bloat the budget even more.