I am wondering if people can critique this.

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  1. El Chup

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    Funny how when I catch you out on your garbage you come back with something different entirely instead of having the balls to address what is said.

    The Pew Research data I already commented on in the other thread. It polls 600 people - out of 1.6 billion (or 2 million in the US). Also, your Telegraph poll is a decade old and it doesn't say how many people were polled. Furthermore, Sharia is a wide ranging concept that includes a legal system and moral conduct. If you actually spent time reading about it you might realise that not every Muslim who says "Sharia principles might be a good idea" is saying "I want to kill non-Muslims". They are saying exactly the same as the Christian bible belt-ers in your own country when they say that more Christianity in required in schools, the state and the legal system. Even then, those Muslims are still a minority and their view that religion should me more involved with the constitutional structure of society doesn't mean that they are Islamist extremist who intend to comment terror attacks. This is all part of the rhetorical narrative. because you have no idea about Islam, you automatically assume Sharia means terrorist atrocities, and while some of the more extreme parts of Sharia are morally questionable, it is factually incorrect to pretend that every Muslim who might say more Islamic law is preferred is also a terrorist who is out to kill you. For instance, the number of British and American Muslims combined are roughly 4.5 million. Do you know out of that many of those Muslims how many British and American citizens have gone to fight for ISIS, accordingly to the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation and Political Violence in their 2015 report? 0.0006% of. Do you know what the percentage is if you take out British and only account for Americans? 0.00009% (Approximately one per one million Americans). Yeah, read that again and then compare it to the number of Americans who turn a blind eye to mass shootings, who are about 50% of all Americans (so about 500k per one millions Americans). Do you know what the percentage was of Americans who fatally shot each other 2013 with their second amendment guns? 0.4% That's over ten times the amount of Americans killing each other within their own borders, than Muslims who have left the US to fight for ISIS, let alone those coming back to commit attacks. Yet on this you turn a blind eye and make excuses. See, I check the facts and figures instead of relying on tabloid garbage, hate bogs and carefully cherry picked snippets that advance a distorted narrative (as per the reason you are labelled a liar).

    So none of what you say changes my post above, and you could make the very same argument that the number of fundamentalist Christians who attacked abortion clinics and carry out far right attacks in the US are a comparable percentage to the number of global Muslims who commit terrorist atrocities. I don't give a shit whether someone believe there should be more religion in the state or not. They welcome to that ridiculous belief as long as they don't break the law and work within a democratic framework. What I care about are the people who are actually a threat...and those people are the extremists willing to act violently and those are remain an extremely small percenatge of global Muslims, and you have offered no evidence to suggest otherwise, despite being asked twice now. When there is one mass shooting in the US a day now, and the San Berinhino killing was the first organised Islamic terror attack in the US since 9/11, and one of only 9 if you count lone nutter attacks as terror attacks in that time period. Not only is that an extremely small figure compared to daily mass killing by your own citizens, but it's also a lower figure that non-Muslim terror attacks in the US since 9/11. This is despite 2 million Muslims living in America and apparently sitting there ready to killing you (according to you).

    Your simplistic nonsense can be defeated at every turn and in no way accurately reflects the true nature and state of Islamic extremism and it's relation to the wider Islamic world. Yes, there is a very real problem with Islamic extremism in the world and it needs to be addresses and defeated where necessary. But until you can produce a credible argument that the vast majority of Muslims are a direct violent threat to you then you aren't doing anything other than religious profiling and using your tabloid and far right blogs "facts" to be a bigot. The facts and statistics just don't stack up, and out there in some parts of the Islamic world is a mindless idiot just like you saying "I hate all Americans because 50% of Americans believe that guns are great and use them to kill children all the time".

    Anyhow, I think I am done with you as I am now having to repeat myself - and I already know you'll just continue to evade the key points of the argument and spout more half truths and simplistic garbage, which I just can't be bothered to read through anymore. I know an uneducated fool when I've encountered one.
  2. El Chup

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    They are some of the most attractive women in the world.

    There are about 80k to 100k Iranians in Britain and do you know that they have one of the highest percentage of people in highly paid jobs and careers of all immigrant communities in the UK (and the same is very true of Iranian-Americans as well) with over 25% of them in the 1% of earners? More inconvenient facts for people like Dinner who says people from the Middle East are all "animals coming to the West to be welfare leaches".
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  3. gturner

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    Pew poll from last year of Muslims in the Middle East.

    Do you think suicide bombings can be [often | sometimes | rarely | never ] justified against civilian targets?

    23% of the Middle Eastern responses were "often" and "sometimes." That's quite a bit more than 0.000623% and whatnot.
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    Goddamn, Dinner and his rants would embarrass Archie Bunker. :jayzus:
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    Cute correction to a New York Times graphic:

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    No, I am a realist not a racist (Islam is not a race, silly bastard) and this country badly needs realists right now. The hard truths you are trying to avoid are very likely to come front and center with just one or two more terrorist attacks. Do you doubt it? We already have it in the Presidential campaign and, I suspect, it will rightly grow from there.
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  7. El Chup

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    :bullshit:

    You referred to foreigners as "dirty" (which is offensive and insults I and the other non-Americans here). Remember that? You posted a picture of a South Asian man molesting a goat intimating that all Muslims were . Remember that? You ranted about Indians earlier today. Remember that? You insisted that people outside of America are lesser people not deserving of the right not to be persecuted. Remember that? You would condemn old people to die alone based on a religion they were born with. Remember that? If you are not a racist then you are most certainly a bigot and a xenophobe, and you are walking a very fine line.

    If Dayton, of all people, who himself has offered bigoted opinions in the past, is saying you're going way overboard, doesn't that maybe make you stop and think that there is a reason why people are now calling you what they are?
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    Instapundit had an interesting article in USA Today about realists, and his hook was clever.

    Glenn Reynolds: Liberals have chosen The Donald as their 'Destructor'
    Weak and ineffectual leadership created the vacuum Trump is filling.

    “Choose the form of the Destructor,” says the demon in Ghostbusters. Bill Murray, et al., got the giant Stay Puft Marshmallow Man. Our political and media elites, on the other hand, got Donald Trump.

    Everyone is aghast at Trump’s latest plan, to suspend all immigration by Muslims. But it’s no coincidence that Trump’s announcement came less than a day after a limp, toneless speech by President Barack Obama on terrorism, one that left Americans feeling much less safe.

    After the September 11, 2001 attacks, then-president George W. Bush made clear that Muslims weren’t our enemy: Radical Islamists were. Because Bush took steps against those radical Islamists that made people feel safer, there was no significant anti-Muslim backlash, though all the bien-pensant types thought it certain that those rubes in flyover country would get violent.

    Obama, on the other hand, responded to an attack by Islamic State-linked Muslims with a mixture of pablum and an effort at distraction by talking about gun bans for people on the no-fly list. (Even lefty publications like the LA Times and Slate thought that idea dumb).

    Glenn's really overstating things by stating that liberals have chosen the form of their Destructor. The Republicans have harped and whined but they haven't managed to accomplish anything either, and Trump's not running roughshod through the Democrat primaries, he's doing it in the Republican primaries. He should have put greater emphasis on his opening, that the Destructor was chosen by the "political and media elites" that keep saying "Stay calm! All is well! Terrorism has nothing to do with Islam!" But he hits the nail on the head when he says:

    In that sort of environment, where people feel unsafe and where the powers-that-be seem to be, well, weak and ineffectual and dishonest, the appeal of someone who doesn’t seem weak and ineffectual grows stronger.

    If no one will do anything about immigration, border security, and terrorism - in either party, other than perhaps recite a litany of excuses for inaction, then the voters will find someone crazy enough and loud enough to make something happen come hell or high water.
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    It would not surprise me that there are no go areas for police in the UK. Nor would it surprise me that they would get orders to not drive their personal cars while wearing uniforms for fear of being targeted.

    I'm surprised at you El Chup that you would so blindly believe the police upper brass that there are no such thing as no go areas. Of course they would deny it. Can you imagine the public relations nightmare if the UK government got up in front of the people and said, "yes there are areas where we don't send police because it's too dangerous"?

    The real way to find out is for the media to talk to the individual police officers. Anonymously to protect the officers from the upper brass.

    But that won't happen because the upper brass doesn't want the individual officer to discuss what he sees and is told at police headquarters by his supervisors.
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    That is actually a very good article.
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    You can track the refugee streams pretty easily. Just look for the trail.
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    And in most photos you can tell who the European authorities are because they wear breathing masks around the migrants.

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    That's because just about ever weird communicable disease from camps in Africa and the Middle East can be found among the migrants.

    And he could do that because some South Asians apparently molest goats and post pics on the Internet. :facepalm:
    I always thought that was just a funny insult.
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    I wouldn't be holding Muhammed Ali up as an example of Muslim peacefulness. He made a living beating Christians in the face until they were bloody and unconscious. :poke:
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    Indeed. Dirty is an extremely accurate discription of animals who wipe their asses with their hands.
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    The Muslim fake refugees where given welfare housing in Germany and this is what they did to the place one day later. They are just animals.



    There are half a dozen dumpsters right there but the animals are too lazy to use them. You just know the animals all stole those bikes when they weren't busy rioting at the welfare office.
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    So says the member of ISIS openly recruiting young terrorists.
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    While I can agree with chuppie fucking goats, I really do not see you doing much better. Yeah, it is not like there are no goats in the US that you and your ignorant bubba buddies fuck on a regular basis while screaming 'mericuh.
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    Looks like the end of any american music festival to me. If only we had bombed woodstock we might have stopped those dirty muslims partying in their own waste. Oh wait, filthy hippies and hipsters are not muslim.
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    :rotfl:

    Someone films a pile of trash and says "Muslims did it" and you just buy it hook line and sinker. :lol:

    Hey look, look what these "fake" savages did to Madrid!!!!



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    KILL ZEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    KILL ZEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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    It is good to know most of the muslim haters around are cowardly peop0le. Sure, like most rapists they end up seeking out the weak and alone. That is because they know they would get their ass kicked in a fair fight. Like the KKK they are not going to do much without their masks, and in areas where someone else might resist them.

    Really, to all the chicken shit little bastards here in america whining your ass off about how muslims should be killed, what the fuck are you doing about it? There are military recruitment offices everywhere and not only have we been continuously killing muslims for over a decade, we are again ratcheting up to kill more. We will equip you with far better equipment than they have, and fly you out there to kill them. If you do not care for the military go start a go fund me thing and I am sure you will have money to buy guns, explosives, and probablyt even a tank after you fly over to the middle east first class. No one is fucking stopping you from killing them, except for them. We all know your couch potato ass is not going to kill a fucking thing because you are cowardly and suck. So quit talking big about a genocide you won't life a finger for. I may not agree with their methods or what they fight for, but they are not cowardly pussies sitting in their homes with their Xbox sayi8ng how someone else should travel half way around the world and kill you.
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    Yeah, entire German apartment buildings are always throwing their trash out the windows to implicate Muslims. It's what Germans do!
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    Dinner served in Iraq.
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    Dinner has gone Gturner retard. Fuck, I have had muslims over for parties, and their wives help[ do the dishes, and the men can find the garbage. Even the guys help clean up. I have cleaned up0 enough after party garbage and puke to know not all white people are as clean as they think.
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    Since there is muslims he certainly has not served long enough. Good job @Dinner, you missed a few billion of them. Don't let us stop you from finishing the job. Oh, and just for shits and giggles I think we should send dayton over to cover your back.
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    Holy shit we are too late. It seems muslims already took over new yourk back in the 80's, but we all bought the story of a garbage hauler strike.
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    Personally I think you're lying.

    I did some careful research on teh interwebs and found this fine white westerner spotlessly cleaning up....

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    ...I know he's a fine white western Christian because the internet said so. :yes:
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    Typical Syrian neighborhoods:
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    Aleppo

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    Damascus

    That's how they treat their own country, and now they've moved to Europe.
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    No, not racist at all are you....? :rolleyes: :dayton:

    The truth is actually quite the opposite...and if you'd served in the Middle East as gTardo claims then you'd be familiar with a douche hose. Those "animals" don't just wipe paper on themselves like you do. They properly clean themselves. So now you're just inventing deliberate racist lies. I think you owe @gul an apology considering you insulted him earlier for calling you on your racism.
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    :facepalm:

    Okay, now your trolling is just plain overt. It's a fucking warzone man. :dayton:
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    Yeah, here's a picture of his unit.

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