I can't believe it! I just can't!

Discussion in 'Camp Wordforge' started by Muad Dib, Dec 30, 2011.

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  1. Muad Dib

    Muad Dib Probably a Dual Deceased Member

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    Nobody got any cool gun or outdoor stuff for Christmas? :wtf:

    I didn't. :weep:
    Muad Dib, Dec 30, 2011
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  2. Zombie

    Zombie dead and loving it

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    I got 2 magazines for my Glock and some ammo. Didn't think it was that impressive to post here. Now if the lady of the house had shown up with an AR or AK then I'd be :fap:ing all over this room. :D
    Zombie, Dec 30, 2011
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  3. TheBurgerKing

    TheBurgerKing The Monarch of Flavor

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    got a 33 round mag for my glock
    TheBurgerKing, Dec 30, 2011
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  4. Ward

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    Nope - no new weapons. :shrug:
    Ward, Dec 30, 2011
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  5. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

    Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee Straight Awesome

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    I got the promise of being able to buy some new gun belts, but I normally don't post imaginations here.
    Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee, Dec 30, 2011
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  6. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    I got a nifty survival knife. :shrug:
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  7. shootER

    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

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    I got a cool folding aluminum table, bigger and even sturdier than the one I already have. :shrug:

    My sister gave me a gift card to Academy, but I'm probably going to use that to buy a big propane burner thing like you'd use to fry a turkey.
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  8. Man Afraid of his Shoes

    Man Afraid of his Shoes كافر

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    I got a high end KitchenAid stand mixer. :yes2:

    ...and to make it CampForge worthy, I think I might be able convert the ravioli stuffing attachment into a reloader.
    Man Afraid of his Shoes, Dec 30, 2011
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  9. Zombie

    Zombie dead and loving it

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    Oh and I got a shooting rest......
    Zombie, Dec 30, 2011
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  10. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    :rofl:
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  11. Muad Dib

    Muad Dib Probably a Dual Deceased Member

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    I got my 5.11 parka and it came with a free 5.11 knife. Bring on the cold!
    Muad Dib, Dec 30, 2011
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  12. Jenee

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    You got a kitchen aid stand mixer, but don't remember ever owning a crock pot?
    Jenee, Dec 30, 2011
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  13. Man Afraid of his Shoes

    Man Afraid of his Shoes كافر

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    I've got a slow cooker type thing, but no crock pot.
    Man Afraid of his Shoes, Dec 30, 2011
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  14. frontline

    frontline Hedonistic Glutton Staff Member Moderator

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    I really didnt get anything for Christmas. This year I get to buy what I want, but haven't made up my mind. I did get a Surefire light for my carbine on Black Friday, but that was it. As far as actually boom sticks, I'm pretty satisfied with what I have already. The only thing on my horizon for firearms is picking up three shot guns. One O/U for sporting clays, one O/U for trap and skeet, and one semi automatic. Accessory wise I am always on the look out for quality USGI M16 / M4 / AR mags. I do want to pickup one more red dot optic, and then possibly a magnifier or two. But what I really want are training classes. I think that it where most of my boom stick funding will go towards in 2012.
    frontline, Dec 31, 2011
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  15. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    :wtf:

    As someone who grew up shooting orange clay disks (well actually black, with orange pant on the top) and calling them skeet and clay pidgeons, I've never understood the difference between the three.

    Here's Anne shooting skeet for the first time back in Oct when I was on E-Leave. It's my 20 O/U.

    [​IMG]

    There is room for improvement with her stance, but it was her first time with a shotgun or shooting a long gun standing.
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  16. frontline

    frontline Hedonistic Glutton Staff Member Moderator

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    Let me break it down this way:

    Trap, clays thrown at about 40 yards, easy to go from n00b to mediocre, difficult to master. Its about target acquisition. Clays will be thrown low and slow.

    Skeet is where its difficult to become mediocre, but once you do it is easier to master. Clays are thrown at about 20 yards and its all about your leads and speed. Clays will be thrown on a consistent arc.

    Both are shot from a stationary position that will not change all day.

    Sporting clays is difficult to become mediocre in and even more difficult to master. Its about speed, target aquisition, and leads all in one. master and even if you think you have, due to its nature, you will always be challenged. Clays will be thrown in random directions, some times crossing. Sporting clays is like golf. You walk or take a golf cart from station to station and you never know how the clays will be thrown. This is what I like best. The only thing missing (for good reason) is the beer.

    An O/U is better for trap and skeet because you can put two different chokes in there to address both trap, and skeet

    An O/U is better for all three shooting styles because you can fire both barrels faster than most any semi automatic shotgun.

    Trap and skeet require one barrel length (30" for O/U and 28" for semi automatic), sporting clays another (32" for O/.U, 30" for semi automatic).

    So I'm probably gonna go with a Benelli semiauto with a 28" barrel to get started in all three and see how it goes.
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  17. Jenee

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    Sorry. I just found that amusing because I remember a post you made ... a very long time ago - you and your wife were arguing about something and she made an off hand remark about your crock pot and kept going about the real subject. and your response was "wait, I own a crock pot?"
    Jenee, Dec 31, 2011
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  18. Man Afraid of his Shoes

    Man Afraid of his Shoes كافر

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    Yeah, that's it. It's a slow cooker similar to a crockpot. I accidentally broke a little teensy piece of one of the plastic handles off of it like eighteen years ago, and she still brings that shit up when she wants to bitch about me being irresponsible or imcompetent. Forget the fact that that was almost two decades ago and it still works fine. :shrug:
    Man Afraid of his Shoes, Dec 31, 2011
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  19. shootER

    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

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    I may break down and buy an M4gery this year, depending on how finances shake out. I want to leave the two AR15s I already have as "stock" as possible, so I can have an 60s-looking CAR15, an 80s-looking A2 and a 21st century-looking rifle.

    We'll see.
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  20. frontline

    frontline Hedonistic Glutton Staff Member Moderator

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    It's always a good year to buy an M4gerie. Let me know if you want any advice.
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  21. Volpone

    Volpone Zombie Hunter

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    My wish list includes:
    An M4,
    An M1911,
    Between 1 & 3 SAA/"Peacemakers",
    A Harper's Ferry flintlock pistol repro,
    and possibly a Model 70 or similar decent bolt rifle.

    That said, I have no idea when I'll have the money to buy a nice looking cap gun. :(
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  22. Man Afraid of his Shoes

    Man Afraid of his Shoes كافر

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    Honestly, I've never understood the appeal of M4geries beyond having a carbie that sorta looks like what the military uses, but doesn't function like it. The M4 is a compromise. Shorter and more handy as a pro. Inferior gas system as a con. With an M4gery, you get all the con with hardly any of the pro. Like having a formula 1 car that's been modified to be street legal. What's the point?
    Man Afraid of his Shoes, Jan 1, 2012
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  23. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    Nope. Mine's a middy.

    [​IMG]
    Man Afraid of his Shoes, Jan 2, 2012
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  24. frontline

    frontline Hedonistic Glutton Staff Member Moderator

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    I have to disagree. How is the gas system inferior? As for the appeal for me, its a proven, rock solid system that takes a lickin and keeps on ticking plus the vast amount of support and versatility of the platform.
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    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

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    I'll likely get something like that for the reasons you mentioned, though with a flat top so I can put an optic on it.

    When I say "M4gery" I mean a modern, AR15 carbine with optics and other doo-dads hanging off it, not a literal civilian version of what modern US sojers carry.
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  26. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    The carbine length gas system is too short and violent. Takes a lickin and keeps on ticking? :wtf: It's unreliable as hell compared to a rifle length or a mid length. In my totally armchair opinon, the carbine length gas system on the M4 is what is causing all the recent "unreliability" problems with the whole AR platform that a lot of people are complaining about.

    That is a flat top. :)
    Man Afraid of his Shoes, Jan 2, 2012
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  27. frontline

    frontline Hedonistic Glutton Staff Member Moderator

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    I admit that the recoil impulse on an issue (14.5" barrel) is more violent than the recoil impulse on a 16" (mid length or standard gas system), but how is it too short and unreliable? For the shortness they did have to introduce the 5 coil spring to the extractor and put in a heavier buffer but other than that it works fine.
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  28. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    Expediency. I got it because it was available at the time, and totally intended to get some flip up sights eventually....but I haven't.

    More heat being shot straight into the bolt carrier group, and a faster action means for more chance of a jam. It's one of the reasons M4s have those bullet groove thingies that I don't remember the technical name for right this second and 20" rifles don't.
    Man Afraid of his Shoes, Jan 2, 2012
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    frontline Hedonistic Glutton Staff Member Moderator

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    Ok I can dig that. But the data out there is not supporting your contention. Sure the weapon does heat up faster. That isn't leading to higher failure rates. The key with the BCG is the same as with any weapon. Keep it lubed and it runs like a greased pig. Don't keep your weapon lubed and it will seize up. That is a pretty across the board situation. As for the M4 feed ramps that are cut into both the upper receiver and barrel, those were indeed put in there as part of the evolution of the M4. However they were a brilliant idea that is now a part of the standard M16 family new production. Those feed ramp cuts have reduced the points of failure to either a magazine problem or worn out parts. IIRC the cyclic rate of fire between the M4 and M16 are nearly identical.
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  30. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

    Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee Straight Awesome

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    The only way to settle this is for your guys to have a shootout. M4's at 3,000 meters. First person to get dirt on them loses.
    Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee, Jan 2, 2012
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