I Don't See The Big Deal About Firearms

I don't see why people who have an irrational hatred and/or fear of firearms have to take it away from other people. A firearm is just a tool, used for good or evil, depending upon the individual who uses it.

A hammer has been used to kill and kill dozens if not hundreds of people a year, and a car also kills more people. Yet there isn't such an irrational hatrred or fear of them so it can't be just the fact that they take lives and can cause a mess. So what can it be?

Perhaps these people are afraid of what they might do to themselves or others if they had a firearm?

But cars and hammers are used to build thingsd like houses for people and cars are used to save thousands of lives.

But firearms are also used to build communities and save thousands of lives as well. If colonists didn't have access to firearms, there would've been no Revolutionary war and we might still be under the control of the Brits to this day.

So what if a person enjoys hunting deer or turkeys? So what if a person likes to target shoot?

Buts teh drama when it comes to firearms. FIREARMS! OH NO! THEY SCARE ME SO I MUST TAKE IT AWAY FROM OTHER PEOPLE TO PUNISH THEM FOR SCARING ME!

I don't much like them myself, but dammit, I am not out to take them away from others. People have the right to live their own life, and if they want firearms in their lives, I'm not about to begrudge them.

Here's an idea: respect begets respect, but it's much easier to hate and fear things people are threatened by and fear.

But it does not have to be that way.

Live and let live. Try it. You'd be happier. They'd be happier, if everybody would learn to let people let their own lives.

It's not the gun that kills you, it's the bullet and massive blood loss.

There aren't many (if any) people here that want to abolish gun rights. They just like to point at us silly Gunforgers and laugh at our cute little antics.

Half the time I can't say as I blame them.

Wow, this is a completely new and unique take on the subject of guns.

Has replaced your old standard now?

It's pretty difficult to kill a person with a hammer accidentally. Break a finger? Sure. Kill? Not so much.

On the other hand, it's comparatively easy to kill a person accidentally with a car. Hence, driving licence.

Licence gun owners and take away their right to carry guns when they grow too old, sick, or menatlly unstable to use them somewhat safely, and you'll have no argument from me.

Many everyday objects can be used as weapons to a degree.
There will be constant arguments over material obsessions that should be taken due to the possibilities of danger, or death.
I've never seen someone killed by a hammer but I have seen a cinder block accidentally fall from a ladder onto a little kids face.
"These deadly weapons" are amusing.
I think my favorite would be the golf club.
The rights will continue to be fought about, and over till every last comprehensible being is destroyed.
I say it's for the better because we get to have the pleasure of nodding our head in agreement, or yelling in someones ear.

I think we should ban Packard.

I think that it is a real testament to this country because we do have so many firearms. I would estimate we have more firearms than people in this country. For every person who doesn't own one, you have someone that owns several. Then if you look at the infinitesimally small amount of gun violence that acually occurs in the country compared to the amount of guns in it, it tells you that the average American gun owner is not the crazed maniac that the liberals make them all out to be. The overwhelming amount of gun owners are very responsible people.

Saying there are millions of responsible gun owners - and there are - doesn't make gun violence disappear.

As long as he doesn't start using

Just because there are people who use firearms to commit crimes doesn't give you the right to take them away from people who don't.

In fact, trying to take any firearm away is a violation of rights, regardless of the size or use of the firearm.

And then again the corollary is a violation of rights as well.

Taking firearms away from everybody else who doesn't use them to commit a crime is collectivist thinking. Might as well put all men in jail for those who beat up, rape and kill women.

The majority of marriages don't have abusive husbands who throw chairs at their wives - that doesn't make abusive chair-throwing husbands disappear.
The majority of those trained in the martial arts don't use their defense skills for evil - that doesn't make karate-related violence disappear.

Not all of the German population throws rocks - that doesn't make all rock-throwing violence disappear. Look at the G8 summit. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6714429.stm

I propose we take away karate, chairs, and rocks from all people.

My bazooka is used for hunting.

A bazooka is not a firearm.

NOTHING, will make gun violence dissappear. It is a fact of life.

^To what degree though? Let's not pretend every nation is struggling with this problem at the same level.

Yes and? Just because there are millions of good marriages, doesn't make domestic violence disappear. Just because there are millions of good drivers, doesn't make accidents disappear. Just because there are millions of good cops, doesn't make policy brutality disappear.

I could go on all day.

Please don't put words in my mouth, Talkahuano. I'm not proposing banning anything (if for no other reason than prohibition is impossible). But I'm also not content to put blinders on and ignore the issue like the other side.

To use your analogy, it's like saying spousal abuse is an unfortunate but inevitable byproduct of marriage; if we all want to be able to get married we just have to accept that 38,000 women are going to be beat to death by their husbands each year.

^Actually, we pretty much do.

Yes, I'm very sure you could continue missing the point ad nauseam.

I think I might be missing your point.

I know you're not suggesting that we need background checks, waiting periods, and manditory trigger locks for marriage licenses.

Well considering that you haven't actually stated any kind of point...

I suggest you educate yourself if you really believe that. It couldn't be more wrong.

I suggest you do the same.

There will always be domestic violence, until you eliminate the individual, people will do awful things to each other.

The only thing that can be done is the police can be called, which is the same thing you do with gun violence.

http://www.wordforge.net/showpost.php?p=1258879&postcount=10

Unless the potentially battered wife is...you know...armed.

Okay, you're right about that.

But Nick's analogy with marriages and battered spouses is wrong somehow?

So your point is that the existence of responsible people doesn't prevent bad people from doing bad things.

Yes, and what does that have to do with guns?