I remember when NC was about as progressive as it got for a Deep South state.

No surprise from that link, by the way, No listing at all in Virginia, New Mexico, Maine, Vermont and Hawaii which, each have several cities with GI in their NDOs so the list is far from complete.

O.I.C. - you haven't actually READ the bill, or alternately are incapable of understanding it.

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Wish I could rep that post a few thousand times.

it's anything but.

A trans man in the ladies room gets called out, quite rightly, as "man in the ladies room!! Eeek!!" which, of course, outs them as trans (i.e. not a "real" man, a second class citizen) and puts them at risk of physical attack from women or from protective boyfriend/husband/father who thinks they are a predator.

For the trans woman in the men's room, it's the same danger of being outed, plus the danger of sexual assault, plus the risk of violence if the visit outs you to some asshole who'd previously decided he'd like to fuck you before he know you were trans and is now experiencing full on gay panic.

Plus, if you out yourself be using the wrong restroom for your presentation, then you feed the gossip mil. It's very easy to envision a situation where someone sees you, gossips about it, and your boss finds out and suddenly you are out of work, or your landlord finds out and you are on the street, and so forth.

Now, of course, the reality is that any of us that successfully blend in are going to use the correct restroom for our identity and presentation regardless of the law - but I could go to Tupelo, or Memphis, and just so happen to come across some bitch who knows me from my home town and she could easily out me to everyone around as trans, and I'm tossed out of the restroom hoping there's no asshole boyfriend waiting on his girlfriend to get out in the hallway. If I'm legally in there, that challenge doesn't succeed and if I am attacked, the attacker is in the wrong.

It's a pretty big deal.

Actually, the closer the potential remedy when your rights are violated, the swifter the justice. Appealing to the state (which, by the way, you CAN'T do under HB2 for ANY discrimination - a distinction shared by only the glorious shithole of Mississippi) is more difficult and more costly then appealing to local enforcement, just as going to Federal court when NC fails you is more difficult and costly still.

Which is why the state ought to get their countrified shit together and follow the city's lead, not put a noose around the city and drag them back to their country-ass level.

Oh, and also, even the country rube is protected when sharing the city sidewalk, it's only the reverse that's a problem.

No, the state will not follow the morons and sexual deviants in the cities. Ass raping them with a broomstick or shooting them in the head would be quite fun, though. They do not matter, and we will not subject our children to their perversions.

Yeah, I've heard you bumpkins have quite the thing for ass-raping.

And my point is that all of this is in the same law. This one law says that LGBT's do not have any anti-discrimination protections...at all, in addition to the bathroom thing. And yet all anybody is really talking about is the bathroom thing.

That may be the case in NC, but people are sadly self-centered creatures who ultimately care about what affects them directly. Abstract gay rights don't but the possibility of sharing a bathroom with someone with different genitals does.

For reasons Nova touched on in her post, this is a big deal and an issue of safety.

Those prohibit housing and workplace discrimination, not public bathrooms, and many were passed in the 1990's.

So Austin, New York City, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Seattle, and the entire state of Maryland allow trans people to use the bathroom of the gender they identify as. Why aren't they having any of these safety issues?

Which government agency collects the statistics on women creeped out in a restroom, or how often they flee and go somewhere else?

Do they routinely trip and fall, injuring themselves while fleeing? Is that the safety issue?

Well in absolute numbers, how does it compare to the number of trans people who suffered a bladder injury because the other restroom was too far away?

Surely cities keep track of such data.

They keep crime data. Try to find a case where a woman was assaulted by a man pretending to be trans in one of those places while the law was in affect. You can't. Other than one guy supposedly walking into a girl's locker room in Seattle as some sort of political stunt, there's a whole lot of nothing.

And there was never any crimes committed against trans people regarding bathrooms.

If all women end up going to the bathroom in Ziploc bags in their cars, there won't be a single crime statistic to point to as evidence that the bathroom policies were a disaster. If they have flashbacks to previous violent rapes, there won't be a single crime statistic about it. If they're creeped out beyond belief and have anxiety attacks, there won't be a single crime statistic about it. If they feel they've lost an essential freedom, a safe space, there won't be a single crime statistic about it.

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So all those millions of women have been suffering in silence. Although I think I'd notice if my wife was pooping in the car.

Many husbands assume that, but as with so many things (like how much chocolate they eat), wives lie.

Ah...so the reason there is no evidence whatsoever of it being a problem in the places that allow it isn't just because no woman will report it, but because all women are actively covering it up?

There's nothing to report. In the Demcorat South blacks didn't call the police to report a white water fountain - because that wasn't a crime. Women have had men thrown out of the ladies room, but unless there was an assault or rape, that wasn't a crime either, just a big no-no. But some wanted to make enforcing that long-accepted rule a crime. North Carolina said no, it shouldn't be a crime to throw a man out of the ladies room.

But you're claiming that women are being psychologically traumatized in the places that allow trans people to use bathrooms of the gender they identify with, but nobody knows about it because all of them refuse to talk about it at best, and actively lie about it at worst.

No, almost all women are okay with the trans people, who already use their bathrooms. The rule is, if nobody complains it didn't happen. What the new ordinances did was make it a crime to throw men out of the ladies room, because the men could just say they have a fluid gender identity and that their civil rights were violated. That makes the ladies room a safe space for big burly men, but not so much for women anymore. The women can't file a complaint because there's nothing to complain about, other than the law being properly enforced by letting the men stay in the ladies room.

Women avoid creepy and threatening situations all the time. They call it common sense. Well, now they'll avoid some bathrooms in certain places after a few freaky experiences. It's kind of like surrendering a nice neighborhood to a street gang. People just feel less safe and go elsewhere.

So it's not safe for women to use public restrooms in places that allow trans women to use the lady's room, but the reason no one has ever been assaulted is because all of them are pooping in their cars?

No. Allowing trans women to use the ladies room hasn't been a problem. The problem is that the laws allowing that both aren't necessary, and open the door for homeless men who are convicted sex offenders to also use the ladies room. Trying to keep such men out of the ladies room would be a civil rights offense and subject the city and its law enforcement officers to lawsuits.

If convicted sex offenders are using the ladies room, why aren't they sex offending anyone? Is it because the women are pooping in their cars?

Yes.

I knew it.

Excellent. Nicely done @Man Afraid of his Shoes.

I'm not the one whose wife is pooping in his car and lying about it.