I Would've Made A Good President.

That's my take on it as well.

Nope.

1. We only have his word on what happened.
2. If he was truly over it, he'd never have mentioned it.
3. If Dayton did something which he considered "sinful," like boning a prostitute, he'd immediately seek counseling from a minister, because he'd no doubt feel regret. Hitting his wife in an argument indicates that he has anger issues, and if he was really a loving husband, he'd seek counseling from a mental health professional.
4. In the discussions I've seen of it, Dayton has never said, "It was a mistake, one which I deeply regret, and I have done my best to make amends for." Perhaps he's said it and I've missed it, but somehow, I doubt it.

Not at all what I'm saying, so try again. Putting words in the mouths of others is so John Castle, you should strive for better. What you did was despicable. I'm glad your wife forgave you, she is a better person than you are. But the problem many of us have with you is that you brush it off, much as you've just done .

She forgave you, so the behavior must not have been despicable seems to be your position, and it's one that is fundamentally divergent with the opinion held by decent people. She forgave you in spite of it being despicable. That's what you need to recognize.

I find it incredibly repulsive that you said,

Then you go on to say,

Because what you're saying is that even though you know your wife can't physically harm you, you think that smacking her isn't a big deal. Do you really think there is anything redeemable in physically assaulting someone who is otherwise defenseless against you? Because that is what you're saying. That makes me want to go out and kick puppies and small children, because unless they were wielding a weapon they can't harm me either.

And again, where has anyone insulted your family? We're putting the entire onus on you for clocking your wife. You've come pretty close, but not quite passed the blame off from yourself, since you lost your temper when you did smack her.

Other than the one on the top of his head?

I get where you're trying to go with this, and I agree that there are couples that can and do move on from that sort of thing. People can change, but those folks don't expect sympathy as a given, and don't handwave their actions when they are read the riot act.

Seriously? Nixon was paranoid about the Kennedys and batshit crazy. Is that really an example you wanna use?!

Indeed. Having witnessed domestic abuse first hand, my first instinct, were I to hit a woman, would be to swallow a gun. I would accept no forgiveness from a woman I had hit.

And to be fair, Nixon's mistake was in trying to cover up what had happened. If he'd have simply hung out those involved to take their punishment, he'd have been able to serve out his term. Instead, he made the mistake of trying to cover it up.

What does intellect have to do with anything.

That said, I'm wondering how a few years down the road what would be the reaction here if I WAS able to achieve the first steps to running for president? Like winning a seat in the state legislature or some entry level office like that.

I've wondered at what point half the people in wordforge start soiling their pants............

You'd be a laughing stock on the news, because once this hit the media you wouldn't be able to even be elected to toilet attendant.

How quickly they forget.



Two thoughts for you: Luke 18:9-14 and Matthew 23:27-28.

A slap to the face doesn't cause physical harm, so the disparity in the two spouse's ability to inflict damage is irrelevant.

The nature of the harm is the emotional distress and betrayal suffered from having your spouse take a hand to you. But in that case, I do think we're being rather sexist demonizing Dayton and and claiming the incident was "a big deal" when, if the gender roles were reversed and she slapped him, we wouldn't think much of it.

If Dayton's wife didn't think it was a big deal (yes, we're taking his word for it, but that goes for everything claimed here) who are we to second guess the autonomy of their relationship?

Oh yeah.

Like it would be still here.......

You can barely post without fucking up the quote tags.... what makes you think you can erase anything online?

I can't.

But I've recently come across some nice folks who seem to have some talent in this matter.

We've been here before haven't we?

You always bring up that she has forgiven you. However, what you seem to believe is that the offering of forgiveness gets you off the hook. Well, those of us that truly respect women don't see it that way. If I ever hit a woman it would live with me probably until the day I die. I would never get rid of that guilt, nor would my relationship, and feelings of trust, with that person ever be the same. This has been explained to your before and you just ignore it in favour of "oh, it was ten years ago so doesn't matter". It shows your lack of compassion and intelligence. When @gul talks of repenting, he's actually waiting for you to understand the wrongdoing. Your refusal to do so is what makes you a loathsome individual worthy of scorn and that is why you get so much grief over it.

Absolutely correct. And I mean 'absolutely' in the dictionary definition context. Absolutely correct. Any man who would hit a woman under anything less than life and death stakes is an animal, and he should be put down like an animal. That said, I've seen many of the same posters who condemn Dayton for this behavior excuse an ideology that condones far worse.

And why would anyone do such a thing for you? And what makes you think someone you know could even do something like that?

If someone forgives you El Chup then you are "off the hook".

Because otherwise forgiveness means nothing and if you maintain guilt over it you are basically insulting the person who forgave you.

A) A nominal fee.

B) I've seen examples. Of course I asked for proof.

WF doesn't forget, nor forgive. It's in the Bible, near the back somewhere.

I only speak for myself, but I don't think much of ANYONE slapping love ones for ANY reason.

And I will concede there is a double standard where abuse from women is concerned (especially female on male rape in the media, but that's another topic entirely), but I think if we had a female poster that was always shrugging off violent fights she started with a guy while preaching moral superiority, she'd meet with the same response.

What absolute and utter nonsense. Where did you get that crap from? Bible class?

Forgiveness is a unilateral gesture from the giver. It doesn't right a wrong.

We all know where the delete button is, but you can only delete your own posts with it.

Just like those that have sex outside of marriage.

Shaddup now.

You won't, and we can all see why a mile away.

Soiling their pants over what?

No way in hell. If I printed out the "greatest hits" thread and kept a copy for myself in anticipation of your grand election campaign, how are you going to erase that?

I'm sure the guy I went batshit over in HS has forgiven me, but I would fully expect any attempt to contact the guy to be met with a direct transfer to the trash folder of his email account.

It sounds like you're threatening to take down the board.

While you're at it, tell that to my dad, too.

The guy has spent more effort reaching out to my mom with that "you have to forgive me 'cuz Bible" shit than even contacting since I found my half-brother out in Japan three and a half years ago.

I'm curious. @Dayton3 what do you mean by that?

He's right, haven't other people been banned for threatening to take down the board? At the very least he needs some time off to cool down.