If the South had won the War Against Northern Aggression...?

Would we have illegal Yankees jumping the border instead of Mexicans?

The snowbirds would need passports to spend the winter in Orlando.

According to Harry Turtledove, illegal Negroes.

Interesting concept, but the CSA would most likely have absorbed most of the USA following the great war, the CSA and Britain (ie Canada) splitting the nation up between them.

We need the White Room back so Muad Dib has a place to post his masturbation fantasies again.

Here ya go!

Probably. The yankess have all been migrating south for years now. The midwest and NY are emptying out as ATL and FL fills up. Shit, flying into Miami now is like flying into Teterboro- all the controllers are New Yawkers.

Would you shut the fuck up about it then?

Of course he would. But then, the Yankees would all be complaining.

Thank God. It's getting too crowded for my tastes already.

OMG! That would be worse!

If the South were a foreign country, the Northeast and Midwest wouldn't be depopulating to there.

No, the Northeast and Midwest would be nations in decay, third world, right now.

What, like Canada?

Canada keeps itself alive by sucking of the tit of the USA. If the inflow of cash wasn't there, Canada would be bankrupt and fractured within a year.

Actually they'd be much less so than they are now...especially NY, PA, OH & WV.

Explain yourself.

Not really, between siding with Germany in WWI and WWII, getting hammered with sanctions and debts post WWI, and at the hands of both labor unions and leftist democrats like FDR, the Northeast and Midwest would be on deaths bed.

Oh I dunno. Wouldnt the whole country be the Confederate States Of America? With the Confederate flag instead of the stars and strips? Mewa would not be happy.

What makes you think that the north would be siding with Germany in WWI? Saying "Harry Turtledove said so" doesn't count, ya soft bastard.

Simple, Canada benefits from both the currency value and trade with the US, And it is that income which keeps its bloated, overgrown, socialist government afloat. The average Canadian has to pay 60 to 75% of their yearly income to the government in the form of taxes now. How would they cover the loss of income from oil, timber, and other trade with the US. Not to mention the considerable tourism market.

Your numbers are ridiculous.

Large German, Austrian, and Irish immigrant populations would have led the USA to side with Germany. the first two because of close family ties and ancestral pride, the latter because of Irish discontent with the UK control of Ireland. This would have lead to the CSA to strengthen it's already close ties with the UK and France built during the latter part of the Civil war and time there after, building pressure for a major theater of the Great War in the North American continent.

Turtledove is a writer, not God. Then again, you're consistently a Confederate sycophant.

Now if you continue to insist that a mostly agrarian country would triumph over the North, I will have to smack you. Besides, we'd never join Germany for any reason. We have far more in common with our British cousins and the Midwest is renown for it's hatred of foreign intervention. Foreign wars have historically had their roots in Southern men.

Besides, we get Teddy Roosevelt, who trumps anyone you could muster.

Bullshit!

Spanish American War - McKinley - Yankee

WW1 - Wilson - Southerner

WW2 - FDR - Yankee

Korea - Truman, Mid-westerner, Eisenhower, mid-westerner

Vietnam - Eisenhower - mid-westerner, JFK - Yankee, Johnson - Southerner, Nixon - California

Gulf War 1 - Bush1 - Yankee

Gulf War 2 - Bush2 - Yankee who wants to be a Texan.

War of Northern Agression - Butcher Abe - Damned Yankee

Current currency exchange rate, as of 01 May 2007, 1.00 U.S. dollar(s) = 1.11 Canadian dollar(s), at an exchange rate of 1.1089

Approximately 70% of the Canadian government's income comes from taxation, the rest from tariffs, fees, and investments.

Canadian Federal tax rates for 2007 are:

• 15.5% on the first $37,178 of taxable income, +
• 22% on the next $37,179 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income between $37,178 and $74,357), +
• 26% on the next $46,530 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income between $74,357 and $120,887), +
• 29% of taxable income over $120,887.

Canadian Provincial/Territorial tax rates for 2007

• Newfoundland and Labrador 10.57% on the first $29,590 of taxable income, + 16.16% on the next $29,590, + 18.02% on the amount over $59,180
• Prince Edward Island 9.8% on the first $30,754 of taxable income, +
  13.8% on the next $30,755, + 16.7% on the amount over $61,509
• Nova Scotia 8.79% on the first $29,590 of taxable income, + 14.95% on the next $29,590, + 16.67% on the next $33,820 + 17.5% on the amount over $93,000
• New Brunswick 9.68% on the first $34,186 of taxable income, + 14.82% on the next $34,188, + 16.52% on the next $42,787, + 17.84% on the amount over $111,161
• Ontario 6.05% on the first $35,488 of taxable income, + 9.15% on the next $35,488, + 11.16% on the amount over $70,976
• Manitoba 10.9% on the first $30,544 of taxable income, + 13% on the next $34,456, + 17.4% on the amount over $65,000
• Saskatchewan 11% on the first $38,405 of taxable income, + 13% on the next $71,324, + 15% on the amount over $109,729
• Alberta 10% of taxable income
• British Columbia 5.7% on the first $34,397 of taxable income, + 8.65% on the next $34,397, + 11.1% on the next $10,190, + 13% on the next $16,925, + 14.7% on the amount over $95,909
• Yukon 7.04% on the first $37,178 of taxable income, + 9.68% on the next $37,179, + 11.44% on the next $46,530, + 12.76% on the amount over $120,887
• Northwest Territories 5.9% on the first $35,315 of taxable income, + 8.6% on the next $35,316, + 12.2% on the next $44,199, + 14.05% on the amount over $114,830
• Nunavut 4% on the first $37,178 of taxable income, + 7% on the next $37,179, + 9% on the next $46,530, + 11.5% on the amount over $120,887

Why didn't this happen in the real world?