Iran Nuke deal reached with 6 major powers

Israel is pissed.

Still has to go to Congress for ratification - that should be interesting.

But in theory a deal has been reached which allows IAEA inspections for the next 10 years for a drop in the sanctions, which should also lower the price of oil.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/14/us-iran-nuclear-idUSKCN0PM0CE20150714

I have to think this is part of a larger policy against ISIS, trying to normalize relations with Iran.

 

So, I forget, are we supposed to surrender to them now, or wait until Obama has us all rounded up and put into the secret detention centers in Walmarts?

 

Ten years of inspections instead of no inspections. And cheaper oil, too? #winning

 

Importantly, reporting indicates that the deal seems to be structured so that it can be implemented under current U.S. law and Obama has made clear that he'll veto any effort to block implementation.

I think that in a lot of cases (gay marriage, health insurance reform, winding down in Iraq, normalization of relations with Cuba, etc.) Obama gets more credit than deserved for policies and laws that very likely or certainly would have happened, in many cases most likely in better form in better form, under any Democrat serving as President at this time, but this Iran deal looks at a glance like something he deserves full credit for.

 

Anything they can say is bad and blame Obama for.

 

Of course if Obama declared National Puppy Day, Republicans would say that puppies are bad and blame Obama for their infestation of America.

 

It does not allow surprise inspections of military sites, which is what we had with the Russians (Soviets) under Reagan's START I treaty.

So how is it of any value?

 

If Israel decides they have no choice but to attack Iran now, supporters of this agreement have only themselves to blame.

 

Pretty good summary of the situation:

Opponents of the deal are basically asking why we got a horse instead of a unicorn. But then their solution is to get nothing at all, forgetting to note that a horse is better than a donkey.

 

I would have gone with the goal of strengthening the sanctions regime.

And people (including the Obama administration) have been promoting the idea that it is "this or war". There are a number of intermediate military measures quite doable that are well short of a major war that are available.

 

Also, inspections should not be done by the Atomic Energy Agency but by experts from the U.S. military as we had with the Soviets.

 

You are using some definition of the word "goal" that rational people are unfamiliar with.

Sanctions are a tool for achieving a goal; they are not a goal in-and-of-themselves. Broad sanctions that don't achieve their goal are just senseless brutality. When sanctions don't work for achieving a goal, you need a new tool or a more realistic goal.

 

Do you seriously believe the Iranians will obey this agreement both to the letter and spirit?

What do you suggest if they fail to do so?

 

So election-wise if Obama achieved all these cool things will the next president (certainly a democrat) pale (no pun itrended) by comparison? Big shoes to fill if he did implement much wanted changes + policies. Now there's nothing left for the next president to do.

 

I have two words for those of you who think this "treaty" means anything: Agreed Framework.

 

Finally no more traffic jams thanks to all the motorcades.

 

Did you at least get to see Kerry hobbling around on his crutches?

 

No. Didn't try to either. I guess since the Palais Coburg is about 50 meters from Vienna's most famous brothel, most of the paparrazzin' must have happened along that path

Just lots of limousines going to and coming in from the airport. Most had just military in them, didn't see anyone important. The shortest route goes right around the corner from where I live so yes, some days I wished they'd just nuke each other and be done with it.

 

Don't lift the sanctions.

 

Exactly. Or more accurately, reinstate the sanctions. They are, right now, not cooperating under sanctions. So, worst case scenario, we end up with them again not cooperating under sanctions. This agreement gives us ten years of possible cooperation. No agreement gives us... nothing.

 

IIRC "reinstating" sanctions are immensely difficult after they've been lifted.

 

IIRC, every time Dayton uses the term IIRC what he really means is IPTOOMABISRTM (I'm pulling this out of my ass because it seems right to me).

 

Aurora's avatar says "I will win!" (future tense) HA! I'm on the word knowledge tip today - now if only I could remember what my wife wants me to pick up at the store.

 

Why the hostility Liet?

 

Maybe that's how he naturally responds to idiocy?

 

Good thing I am not one by any objective or subjective measure.

 

Yes. You are. You're an idiot. We have a whole thread dedicated to your idiocy.​

 

No hostility at all, just honesty. It's exceedingly clear that you're not actually recalling or trying to recall anything when you use the term "IIRC."

If honesty bothers you that's your failing and no one else's.