Is it time to rethink SCOTUS?

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  1. Ancalagon

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  2. Fisherman's Worf

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    Lol ok good to know the Supreme Court has lost all legitimacy. What a fucking joke.

    As an attorney, I will ignore any decisions from these imbeciles. They have no mechanism to enforce their Christian nationalism, so fuck them.
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    Thomas Jefferson predicted it would happen.
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    You're looking to me to cite successful COLLECTIVE outcomes. Because that has ever been my priority.
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    One of us!

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    Fine, a society that has removed, or never instituted, public education that you personally would want to live in.

    You're so sure in your views that I'm sure you have examples of how they can work.
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  9. Spaceturkey

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    seems to me eradicating a public anything is the antithesis of "collective".
    He was looking for you to cite a successful anti collective approach...

    So rather than twist the question, try answering it.
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  10. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    To defend my own position, I would only have to show one or more individuals having positive outcomes from private education or homeschooling. I don't do collective outcomes.
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  11. matthunter

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    I'm sure there's at least one example of someone surviving drinking bleach.

    I'll get you a mug.
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  12. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    that seems like you're picking both sides. Unless you're taking the position in favour of no schooling (which often seems to be the experience you're speaking from).

    you picking a golden cherry does nothing to refute that publicly funded education (among other things) is a net benefit to everyone-even you.
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    No, no.

    For that to be true, I would not be double charged for those benefits. Educated professionals still expect to be paid, even after I was forced to pay for their education.
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    Someone who thinks rare anecdotal evidence supports his position over a comprehensive study of large numbers of people is evidence UA is not serious about this discussion, or even able to support his opinion.
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  15. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    The argument about public education being a net benefit to you does not rely solely on what you personally may have gotten from your own public education.

    Oversimplified, well into the hundreds of millions living now have received public educations. If they had not, they might have not received any education, or might have received worse educations. The fact of them having received the educations that they did allowed them to hold jobs and otherwise make economic, social, political and other contributions (or at least enhanced their abilities to do so). The fact that they were able to work jobs etc. means that prices are lower, which is a benefit to you. It makes people less likely to turn to lives of crime and other anti-social behaviors, which would also potentially affect you. This also doesn't factor in how the hundreds of millions who have died also used their public education to build the country into the place it is today with the relative peace and prosperity that you essentially inherited. This is not even factoring such intangibles as the notion that people do not need to realize tangible gains to also benefit.
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  16. Spaceturkey

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    yes, but he does have a purpose

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    And all this might be true, in a world where fast food restaurants aren't cutting staff and charging $12 for a fucking big Mac due to the inflated minimum wage.
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    The inflated minimum wage is the excuse, not the reason.
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    Predictable outcome that everyone with a lick of common sense warned you about.

    No, greedy mega corporations aren't going to voluntarily make less money. :lol:
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  20. Spaceturkey

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    Case in point...





    you really gotta stop sucking so much Koch
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  21. Bickendan

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    See, you're not wrong.
    And corporations should be making profit; that's what being in business is for.
    The greed at the expense of x (wages, environment, etc) is the problem.
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  22. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    I'm not sure how that diminishes or even addresses the argument that you personally have benefited overall/net from the fact of others having gotten a public education.
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    Is there a correct amount McD’s should charge for a Big Mac? What about minimum wage? What’s the correct amount?
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    You're just being cute with the definition of 'benefit,' without requiring yourself to relate them to me or attribute them to specific benefactor.

    I maintain that I have to pay directly for any tangible, demonstrable benefit, and that has not been refuted.
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    The correct amount for either is free market value.
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    If left to their own devices, business would stifle the free market for their own benefit and minimize competition.
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    As said by the local dolt who thinks paying an employee 15 dollars an hour is why the price gouging is going on. The only people that excuse works on are the dimwitted fools who have never actually run a business.
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  28. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    I don't think it is being "cute" to essentially use the commonplace definition of "benefit."

    For instance:
    Here's Merriam-Webster's definition:
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/benefit

    I think it's beyond reasonable dispute that you have interacted with numerous people who have received public educations, that those people's public educations at least in part equipped them to help you in various ways that they would not have been able to do if they did not have those educations, and that you therefore gained an advantage from their public educations. Whether it's because you were able to get medical treatment from a doctor who went to a public university, or used a product that was created through research at one, or just basically had a store clerk be literate thanks to having gone to a public grade school, those would be examples of ways you benefited from other people having had a public education. It also should be said that the costs of a lot of goods and services you use are subsidized by the fact that the people who provide them can spend less training their employees because of the public education that they have.

    There are certainly various arguments that one could make while accepting those premises, such as that whatever benefit that you got was either so indirect or so slight that it is not worth the cost to you, or to society as a whole.

    In any case, I don't see the relationship between these various benefits that you are getting from widely available public education and fast-food restaurants cutting staffs and charging $12 for a Big Mac due to the inflated minimum wage. Care to explain?
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  29. Uncle Albert

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    Jesus christ. Never use 10 words where 500 will fit. :jayzus:

    Injecting tax money into secondary education has led to it being more expensive, and higher costs for the end user.

    And YOU brought up consumer costs. I'm just pointing out that those costs are through the fucking roof.

    That, combined with public education churning out students who are more prepared to be professional victims than they are to function in life, and I say I'm not getting my money's worth under your terms.
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    Good news then! Private education or homeschooling doesn't require the abolishment of public education.

    Source: all the many many places that have both.
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