Israel is Coming Apart at the Seams, It Seems

Yes I watched the 13 minute interview that looked heavily edited and the Interviewer had to help Biden finish his sentences at one point, answered his own questions and it appeared Biden couldn't even remember where or what he was talking about. What does it matter if I hadn't watched the whole interview?
Simple question.

Oh and before you ask me about what Trump said about Hezbollah, I think it was disgusting and he should apologize, but I'll also remind you that I've never voted for Trump so I see no need to defend him.

You watched the entire thing before you asked us if we had watched it?

I was in the middle of watching it when I asked my question because I anticipated your response so I wanted to make sure that I had. What does it matter if I hadn't?

Uh-huh. Of course you were. Which is why it took you an hour to find the clip and then say that yep you were totally already watching it.

Okay so you're not going to believe me so I guess we're done here. We could have avoided this whole thing if you would just admit that you were never going to believe me and I could have discussed this with someone else. I ask again
What would it matter if I hadn't watched the whole interview?
Simple question.

Here's the interview if anyone is interested.



At no point does Pelley finish sentences for Biden.

There's back and forth, where he asks questions and the president answers (one section is fairly rapid-fire and Biden answers "Yes" to the questions) but otherwise the interview isn't any different in that regard than the thousands of them that I've seen in my life.

And it's "heavily edited" only in the sense that if 60 Minutes had 45 minutes with Biden you'd have to make some serious cuts to get to a 13-minute run-time.

Oh, I see. I was thinking of that Simpsons episode where Homer drove the babysitter home.

Let's see a live interview then.

That's why you're getting spun off into a tangent thread, dude.

Yeah because they can't handle any criticism of Biden, it's "dumb" to point these things out. CBS has to remind the audience of Biden's age and life long stutter. Nothing to see here though.

Perhaps the mods can separate this discussion?

I will only accept this thread if it's returned to it's original 1967 borders, anything else is Haram.

Wow, I did not see anyone giving away answers to Biden in that interview. If FF can point me to the time stamp he's concerned about (and I assume it's not the cross examination/leading section to push on a potential contradition in positions part) then i'd love to see it.

UN Agency Accuses Hamas of Stealing Humanitarian Supplies, Then Deletes Statement

The UN agency responsible for Palestinian refugees on Monday said that it had received reports that Hamas had seized humanitarian supplies from a UN compound in Gaza City before backtracking and deleting all references to the accusation.

The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) in a statement said that fuel and medical supplies were seized from the compound, which they had evacuated on 13 Oct.

“UNRWA received reports this morning that yesterday a group of people with trucks, purporting to be from the Ministry of Health of the de facto authorities (DFA) in Gaza, removed fuel and medical equipment from the Agency’s compound in Gaza City,” UNRWA said. “UNRWA’s fuel and other types of material are kept for strictly humanitarian purposes, and any use of such assets for any other purposes is strongly condemned.”

“De facto authorities” is a term frequently used by the UN to refer to the Hamas terrorist group that controls the Gaza strip. The Gaza-based Palestinian Ministry of Health is likewise controlled by Hamas.

After posting the statement on their website and on social media on Monday, UNRWA then deleted the statement without explanation.

https://www.algemeiner.com/2023/10/...-humanitarian-supplies-then-deletes-statement

Ugh.

Not surprisingly, the loony left is siding with the terrorists.

This is the indoctrination that some of us have been pointing out for years, but it fell on deaf ears.

When will President Trump head to Israel?

Dark Brandon is going to Israel for a state visit on Wednesday.

He's about to tell Hamas to cut the malarkey, bucko.

Article VII:
The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

That's from one of the Hadiths, dating back to the Battle of Badr and the expulsion of two Jewish tribes into the desert without their belongings commanded by Mohammed - and the slaughter of the Jewish tribe Banu Qurayza in it's entirety.

As to the 2017 statement of principles, it doesn't replace the original charter and we just experienced what they meant by 'armed resistance is justified.' They slaughtered 260 young adults at a fucking Peace celebration.

That's an anti-Semitic extract explicitly about the Day of Judgement but it says nothing whatever about the murder of all people in Israel. You aren't entitled to triangulate it with a massacre that happened at the time that it originated and make the leap that it is invoking that for all Jews. Hamas are abominable enough, without you playing fast and loose with the truth. But that's what you do. I suspect it's meant to feed into the rationalisation of atrocity against Palestinians.

This is good.

So is this - Michael D. Higgins eviscerating Ursula von der Leyen and the Israeli side. For once Irish politicians are playing a blinder. It probably speaks to the fact that we were on the recieving end of the same shit for so long.

Now, there appears to be something awry on the Israeli side. The ground offensive was due to start before now - but has not. Blame was attached to the weather but that strains credibility. With Biden arriving on Wednesday I hope it's not wishful thinking that he is about to pull rank on them in order to retain some level of credibility and avert a wider war - because the death toll is going to start climbing exponentially soon if he does not.

Shame on France, UK, US & Japan who vetoed a call for a humanitarian ceasefire at the UN.

Meanwhile the IDF denies that there is any humanitarian crisis.

It literally invokes the Prophet Mohammed that says that the Muslim religion can't find it's ultimate fulfillment and the eschatology of Islam that the time of Judgment where all faithful Muslims are rewarded for their deeds can't happen until the Jews are killed. You are right, it doesn't say Israel, though that's how Hamas has interpreted - it says the Jews, period.

Later in the tract it also says it is the highest purpose of Islam to die for Allah.

You can lie about the very obvious meaning of that all you want, for some reason socialists have decided that what Islam explicitly says should not be considered, even though it motivates the actions of hundreds of millions of Muslims. Hamas alone has taken credit for over 40 suicide bombings in Israel.

But yes, it means that you are a liar. You know better, you just willfully choose to not believe it.

Because like everyone else that carries an ideology around your neck you aren't self-reflective enough to see that it is a chain.

And here we are, after Hamas members admitted they feigned peace for three years to lull Israel into a false sense of security while they've launched their worst attack yet.

But they don't MEAN IT when they say that their religion tells them to murder Jews.

And the chief of Hamas didn't MEAN IT when he said they were fated to rule the world and get rid of not only the Jews but the Christians.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...hamas-planned-devastating-assault-2023-10-08/

https://www.businesstoday.in/latest...ng-to-the-world-watch-video-401650-2023-10-12

So Israel hasn't launched their attack yet, Biden is coming to Israel, but that must mean something is AWRY with Israel. Ideology is a hell of a blinder.

King Abdullah says he won't accept refugees in Jordan, and neither should Egypt.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...-refugees-jordan-no-refugees-egypt-2023-10-17

Jeez, I wonder why a man whose grandfather was assassinated by Palestinian terrorists and his father was shot, survived, survived two more assassination attempts, and had to wage a war to prevent them from overthrowing his government, then put his nation into 40 years of martial law wouldn't want yet more Palestinians in his borders.

Your entire modus operandi is contortion and goalpost-shifting.

There is no doubt that "Islam tells them to murder Jews". Or that Hamas uses suicide bombings. Or that they've launched their worst attack yet. I haven't said anything to the contrary so why bring any of those things up other than to bloviate and misrepresent?

Your specific claim was that the charter calls for the murder of everyone in Israel. It doesn't. It quotes a Hadith that has a remote connection to a historical massacre of Jewish tribes, upon which you have chosen to impose that interpretation. But you know very well that the meanings of religious texts are often obscure and contested. You could ask ten people what it means and you'll get ten different answers. Hamas themselves have been wildly inconsistent in their exact stance. Again something that you know very well.

Truth matters, particularly in the context of people like you doing their damnest to excuse and condone the outrages one side of this conflict are perpetuating - and doing so because you're free of ideology no less!

Why did you bother quoting my post only then to restate it in an inaccurate fashion? Perhaps you should just invent my response to this one as well.

And the Christian bible says exactly the opposite. Doesn’t say specifically Muslims, but non-believers and that rivalry (between Jews and Muslims) started after a man got his slave pregnant and announced her son to be his heir, but when his actual wife got pregnant, he rescinded that and proclaimed his wife’s child to be his heir (heir may or may not be the correct term here, but we all know the story so who cares). Both religions say the same thing about the site and each religion is terrified the other religion will have control over the site “when judgement day comes”.

It’s bullshit. And it’s all because one man couldn’t keep his dick in his pants and then blamed his wife for insisting he fuck his slave.

Yeah, let's just all agree that organized religion sucks, and the "holy" books that each religion follows are horribly dated fiction.

Truth does matter. There isn't any other valid interpretation of what that Hadith means - that before the end times come, the Muslims have to massacre the Jews.

Putting that into your foundational charter means you support that Hadith.

It's clearly their intent, and that's why when they lie and say they are focusing on peace it always comes back around to 'let's slaughter as many Jews as we can get our hands on.'

Which is exactly what they did.

You choosing to ignore objective reality is on you.