It’s Kamala…

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  1. Diacanu

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    When UA finally murders me, you can have the last laugh.
    Start holding your breath now.
    I'll say "when".
    Really, I will.
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  2. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    Fucking lying about what?

    Are you claiming that at that time she in fact didn't publicly state she opposed that argument and didn't want it used?
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  4. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    After 61,000 posts on WF, many of which involve you arguing for more people to be locked up, and arguing against programs to avoid people falling into crime in the first place, if we all don't know your actual views then that would seem to be on you.
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  5. Uncle Albert

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    Here we go with the bullshit spin. :rolleyes:
    What is the exact nature of this "program to avoid them falling into crime"? I guarantee you any objection of mine wasn't because I want people to commit crimes and get locked up.

    And yes, I hold people accountable for their choices. That's the other side of the "personal freedom" coin.
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  6. Diacanu

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    Hey! Self awareness at last!
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  7. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    tell me about my job as a housing support worker again?
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  9. Tererune

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    No, denying early release is not elongating the sentences you mental lightweight. Do you understand these people are being released early because of prison overcrowding? They are not being released for good behavior or because sentencing for crimes were lowered.

    What is worse is when the prisoners are released early in this fashion they are still considered in prison for accounting purposes, so the prisons get funding for them as prisoners of the state while they are supporting themselves and housing themselves at homer, or they are homeless. These guys cannot get food or shelter in the prison that we are paying for when they are released early.
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    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    Our guy who really wants the criminals locked up is bothered because Kamala wanted to keep prisoners locked up for their full term instead of tossing them out only because we do not have enough prison space.

    The hypocrisy runs deep in you. Of all the people around here who would oppose early release based on absolutely nothing but not having enough prison beds I would think it would be you. It would piss normal UA off if anyone else was just releasing prisoners early because there were not enough beds. I would think you would say make them sleep on the floor if you were consistent.

    Something about this situation is different? Could it be that a black woman is accused of trying to keep prisoners in jail for their full term? That would make UA a racist and a sexist. That could not be true.

    Of course that is the only reason because every other time you would have prisoners rot.
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  11. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    a for profit prison system that farms out labour isn't overcrowded, it's overstaffed.

    these aren't early releases so much as layoffs.

    But given the obstacles to employment ex-cons face in your country, they'll be available to be "reactivated" as needed.
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  12. Tererune

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    Funny, but not all prisoners qualify for work.
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  13. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    yup, but I'd expect they're not the ones getting early releases.
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    Actually, when they early release for lack of space everyone gets it. It is standard down the line and the problem here was that the people assigned to the fire squads during fire season were losing their early release over all the other prisoners because the state made the mistake of making them necessary workers.

    It should be noted this early release time is not earned early release time which is used to influence prisoners to behave well because that can be taken away if you get dinged for misbehaving. This is a situation where the release of prisoners early ends up freeing up bed spaces and lowering time incarcerated while still budgeting for that space. It is a way to make extra budget money, while also lowering the need for resources. every prisoner in the system would be entitled to this and it is often around a month worth of time.
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    That's a funny way of admitting you were full of shit.
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    Do you think that the law enforcement system that Donald Trump would enforce/implement/execute would be better, worse or the same as the one that Kamala Harris would enforce/implement/execute? Why or why not?

    For my part, I think it is fairly obvious that Trump has no problem with using the justice system to target his perceived enemies, and has implicitly said as much various times, he has explicitly said that he would pardon J6 rioters, and has issued questionable pardons as he was leaving office. I think there would be concerns against the backdrop of SCOTUS granting presidents absolute immunity from criminal prosecution for official acts that Trump might feel free to engage in criminal behavior knowing that he won't be criminally prosecuted and that in the current political climate there is basically zero chance of him being removed from office via impeachment.

    How about you?
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    I think she would be more lax and permissive with illegal aliens, but they will both be limited on what they can accomplish.

    Oh, you're talking personal vendettas, because of course you are. I predict he will make noises about going after anyone who participated in weaponizing the legal system to avoid having to face him in an election, but nothing will come of it.
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    So... you think the legal system has been weaponized against him?

    And what, to you, qualifies as "lax and permissive with illegal aliens"?
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    Oh, sorry, you were talking to @Uncle Albert.
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    So apparently Harris isn't picking Kelly for VP? He's a friggin' astronaut. What else is there to know? PICK HIM.
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  22. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    On what do you base the notion that Kamala would be any more lax and permissive with illegal aliens than any of her predecessors, including Trump? You recognize that Trump talks a lot of talk that he does not mean or follow through on, it seems. Do you realize that Trump instructed the Republicans in Congress to block a negotiated bipartisan effort to increase border security so he could campaign on it?

    Of course I raise personal vendettas, because I dislike the idea of any chief executive deliberately targeting opponents not because they legitimately believe that their opponents have or may have committed crimes, but as a political tactic. In particular, Trump has both implied he was going to do it and has attempted to use the tactic that there were investigations into the Bidens with regard to Ukraine, into Hillary because of her e-mails, into the Bidens because of Hunter's laptop, and on and on where there was no real evidence of a crime to be found. This contrasts with the charging of Trump in his cases, where judges and grand juries found at least probable cause to support search warrants, to pierce attorney-client privilege due to the crime-fraud exception and to ultimately charge him with crimes.

    Anyway, would it bother you if he had his Department of Justice try to bring charges against Biden or his officials, or against the prosecutors who brought criminal cases against him?

    Would you be OK with him pardoning the people who had been criminally convicted in connection with January 6?
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    I read he had Chinese investment in a spy balloon business he started. Can't be arsed to cite a reference.
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  24. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    I thought similarly.

    But a couple things that might work against Kelly or for Shapiro (who I think is going to be he choice) in the big picture:
    1. If Kelly is chosen and the Harris/Kelly ticket wins, a special election would have to be held to replace him in the Senate. That could risk the narrow Democratic tie/majority.
    2. Pennsylvania is a huge get, and I'm guessing that if the Dems lock it down, there are not too many reasonable electoral maps that would give Trump outs. Shapiro does as much as possible for a VP pick to lock PA down.
    3. I do kind of like the double prosecutor vs. the convicted criminal ticket.
    4. Kelly is married to a victim of gun violence and has been a staunch gun-control advocate. I could see that picking him might turn out the "they're trying to take away our guns" crowd, although I'm not sure how vocal/powerful those people are at present.
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    One theory I've seen is that Harris wants to to break with Biden on Israel/Palestine, and Shapiro would provide her with more cover for doing so.

    Also fair warning, Canada appointed a former astronaut the Governor General, and she turned out to be such a raging asshole that she got pushed out early. :marathon:
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    Give those poor AZ voters a break!

    2016 - Regular election for John McCain’s seat won by John McCain.

    2018 - Regular election for Jeff Flake’s seat, won by Senima

    2020 - Special Election to finish out John McCain’s term, won by Kelly

    2022 - Regular election for Kelly’s seat, won by Kelly

    2024 - Regular election for Sinema’s seat


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    I think that Shapiro is so pro-Israel it might be a turnoff to those left-of-center and those who are Muslim/Palestinian.

    I do think that choosing him would probably get the anti-Semites and neo-Nazis to say the quiet part out loud early and often, though.
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