It's a Good Thing These People Didn't Have a Gun1

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  1. Asyncritus

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    I see you can't read in that thread, either...

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  2. Captain J

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    Apostle was wrong in this case. There is very little likelihood a gun would have helped here, unless the intruder knew they had a gun and stayed away from the house because of it.

    Your comparison to woman who shot at the dog and killed her husband was dumb. These two cases have nothing in common.
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  3. Jenee

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    Sure they do. Both were victims of a shooting and neither would have been saved if they'd had a gun.
  4. Captain J

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    No they don't in any real sense. One is a case of extreme gun negligence that led to a death. The other is a question of whether having a gun would have been of value in a specific case. The circumstances of each case are very different even from just the victims side. You should have just argued this case instead of trying for a comparison that gained you nothing.
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    So yeah, like the dishonest sack of crap you are, you imply a sequence of events which has already been explicitly stated did not occur. He did not identify his mother and then draw his weapon, regardless of how strongly you may want it to sound that way. If you think you're clever, you're the only one who does. With the possible exception of Jenee, the board entomologist.
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  6. Zombie

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    And this is why I say you are incompetent.

    I'm going to find the thread later but in the old thread you were being stupid, wanting to ban guns, and talking about what you would do in a home invasion.

    I don't care if you own a gun or not. I don't care what you say.

    Nor am I trying to force a gun on you. If you want to be stupid and not have one then by all means don't have one. Just fucking stop trying to take mine away from me.

    And no one says that after the apocalypse anyone who has the gun has the right to come and take your stuff.

    What is being said and has been shown throughout history that when the shit hits the fan the ones who by choice or by bad luck are not armed to protect themselves will be the victims by those who are armed and are scum.

    That is reality. In a modern day apocalypse, pandemic or asteroid hit wiping out society for example, you will be at the mercy of the scumbags who are armed and are willing to steal from you and kill you in the process.

    That fact doesn't include me, Marso, or anyone else on this board no matter how much you want us to be the bad guys in such a scenario.
  7. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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  8. Jenee

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    Good luck, cuz I've never advocated banning guns.

    Belive it or not, life isn't about you.

    and, I've never advocated banning guns.

    Wrong. In the OP of that thread, there were two normal people having a conversation. One says "this is my plan" and the other says "my plan is to take your stuff cuz I have a gun".

    No shit? I was born last night and I have no idea how humans behave under stress.

    I don't want to make you a bad guy. I was responding to the OP. If someone chose to relate to the bad guy and take offense to that, that's their problem, not mine.
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    Forbin though might be one of those bad guys.

    Have you seen the pics of him being crazed and videos of him even attacking defenseless animals?

    :ramen:

    But seriously in today's environment that should read: "Those who beat their firearms into hybrid vehicles shall be killed by those who want their shit."

    :D
  10. Zombie

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    Yes you have.

    That's just stupid. Of course it's all about me. :D

    And I've advocated taking your stuff and killing you.

    See now we are both making things up.

    And if you believe the other isn't joking then you're stupid.

    No wait.... you're already stupid....

    Okay you're.... :flow: ....... :flow2: ...... more stupid.....

    Yeah that will have to do for now....

    Judging by your posts you don't have any idea....

    Just more incompetence. It's like art for you......
  11. Jenee

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    I didn't say the comic wasn't humourous. Sure I chuckled.

    But, after Chaos came in with this:

    and much backslapping commenced, I was like:

    No where did I accuse anyone of anything more than that.
  12. Zombie

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    Ok here is Jenee calling for the banning of guns:

    In other words if we can't do one, keep criminals from getting guns, then we need to do the other which is keeping all firearms out of private hands:

    Here Jenee pulls a "Garamet". She pretends to be for them but at the same time wants us all to give them up for a safer society:

    Again with the Garamet tap dancing:

    Making the argument that letting criminals have access to guns is bad because we won't give them up:

    Making the side argument of going after guns to stop the criminals:

    How does one get rid of all guns? I think we know now how Jenee thinks:

    And here she advocates for banning guns in the open because her idea will never work:

    In this post it is implied that banning law abiding citizens to carry guns in parks will make the job of the Park Rangers easier in spotting criminals:

    The stupidity hurts on this one...... :lol:

    Turns out I was slightly wrong, the incompentence in dealing with home invasions was in another thread....

    Garamet taught her well. You will never get her to come right out and say something. She will always be dancing around and then claiming you took her out of context but as shown it's rather obvious just from two different threads that she would have zero problem outlawing all guns.
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  13. Jenee

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    :shrug:

    You'd rather criminals have access to guns rather that give up your own if it meant a safer society?

    And, :wub: thanks. No one's ever put that much effort into marking my words before.
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    Yes. Because giving up guns will not make a safer society.

    Just like I'm not willing to give up the jury system and put all accused people in prison for life to make a safer society. I'm willing to take the risk that sometimes the jury gets it wrong and let's go a guilty person.
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    But Zombie, you're wrong. If guns are made illegal, everyone who is disposed to criminal behavior will "see the light", and dutifully hand over all their guns.

    Do you understand now?
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    "Tis better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it."


    Or my personal favorite...

    "AK-47 -- When you absolutely, positively gots to kill every motherfucker in the room, accept no substitute."
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  17. Captain J

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    Are you really that naive/dumb to believe that you can ever accomplish that? Chicago outlawed all guns for 25+ years. Did that stop criminals from having them? Hell no!! The gun crimes and murder rate skyrocketed.

    It don't work to take away the law abiding citizens weapons. It just makes them helpless targets.
  18. Forbin

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    I don't care if the criminals have guns or not, as long as I have some.
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  19. Captain J

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    I'd rather me have and them not. :shrug:
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  20. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    Yes, but if you upgrade it to a totally crime free society, and throw in world peace, liberty for all, a cure for cancer, and free pony rides for life I might consider changing my mind.
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    :wtf: Do you really believe this?
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    Hey everybody. Guess who's being intentionally obtuse right out of the blue for some indeciferable reason.
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  25. Zombie

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    Us for not agreeing with Jenee? :flow:

    ;)
  26. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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    Ooooo - good, ya got me with that one.


    Umm... Those who beat their swords into plowshares may be susceptible to being made to plow by some of those who didn't.


    Doesn't have the same ring. :lol:
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    Jenee's neighbors?

    [​IMG]
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  28. Diacanu

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    "Jenee's got a gun", would be the best thread ever.

    Jenee, buy a fuggin' gun.

    Yes, just for the fuggin' joke.

    :bailey:
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    Then she'd carry on like, "I'm totally against a gun ban. On the contrary, I'm a gun owner, and would never give up my rights as one. Molon Labe! Having said that, I still think we should ban guns."
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    Free pie, BTW, in unlimited amounts. :bailey: