It's the Majorie Taylor Greene thread!

Better buy them all before she does... And shine them into her office

Idaho hos are not a fan of Sporkfork, it seems.

"Sick and disgusting woke culture issues".
Yeah, like humans wanting to be treated like humans. How dare they? How fucking DARE they?

Like bullshitters trying to frame their demand absolute veto power over all they survey as "being treated like humans."

Yeah, yeah, we get it; no one has any good intent, and only your special conspiracy goggles can see it.

The goal is POWER over others. Whether that's good or bad depends on your point of view.

I want power over you

Power? What power?

Over free speech, for starters. I know, I know, "There were always limitations, therefore all future limitations are equally justified. "

WRONG.

The correct answer to ‘Power? What power?” is ALWAYS “The power of the babe”.

I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul.

he's a ginger and thus claims not to have one.

So!! UA agrees with MTG on "wokeism".
How about "traitorous America last policies"?
Or "a national divorce" with the red states?
And which side does he want taking custody of him in said divorce?

Since there are limitations you seem to support, this complaint is a wash and you should choose more solid ground for your case.

but enough about Ron Desantis.

what Mindy Kaling did for Velma, she's about to do with Barney Rubble?

That MTG could draw even a small crowd of counter protestors in Northern Idaho (was that Couer d' Alene?) is a good thing. Funny how Uncle Albert equates someone making their disapproval of someone's speech with trying to stifle it, but once again we see psychological projection at work with the extremist element.

well, his motto appears to be some place between that "work will set you free" and "holiday inn, cambodia"

Duh. How else were the Ds able to win the midterms?

This is what I have been trying to explain to our resident smooth brain.

A new Patriot Block 8 system costs over a billion bucks. So when we give Ukraine a Block III from some shed which we have to backfill by pushing a Block 5 from the National Guard down into the shed which means a front line unit has to give their Block 7 to the Guard and the DOD has to buy a new Block 8 system for the front line unit that means we just ‘gave a billion bucks’ to Ukraine in exchange for a system that has been collecting dust for a decade and cost $75m in the 80s…

And Tucker gets the smoothies to just eat it up. They think we are just sending stacks of cash to Zelenskyy.

The other day I had to explain this to a friend of mine who is an otherwise intelligent guy. Shows that too much FauxNews causes rot to set in no matter what.

I realize that this might seem foolish, given that the US has just come out of two twenty-year-long wars, but the current situation of us aiding Ukraine today, helps us out no matter what happens with that war, because it prevents us from making the same mistakes we made in the past.

We, hopefully, have learned a big lesson from Gulf War 1.0 that we're still following today. In the years following the end of the Vietnam War (and massive military spending) each one of the military branches basically became a thing unto themselves, with no thought about how they might have to work with other branches. When we showed up to fight Saddam, we quickly realized we had a serious problem: The various branches couldn't communicate with one another because their radios used incompatible technology. A downed USAF pilot had no way to directly contact any US (or NATO) forces in the area for help, and ground or naval forces had no way to contact anyone from another branch if they needed help (the exception being the Navy, that had units that could talk to both Navy and Marine forces, regardless of if they were air, land, or sea, but they couldn't do the same for the other air, land, and sea forces from other branches or nations).

By all accounts, we'd sorted that out by Gulf War 2.0 and Afghanistan. Ukraine is engaged in a type of warfare that we've not seen. Even our own experts were expecting them to fold under the initial Russian invasion but they didn't. We need to be there, learning what they did, and prepping our next generation of weapons based on that information. The Ukrainians can't call in a B-52 to carpet bomb the shit out of Russian forces, so they had to come up with something else, and it seems to be working pretty well, so far.

Probably, everything we've got in the military development pipeline is going to have to be redesigned to take advantage of what we're learning now. Handing stuff over to the Ukrainians not only means that US forces will have to replace it with better gear, but that they'll also have to improve the other stuff that we're working on.

Sure, a modern US military force could easily overwhelm a force equipped with ancient gear in no time, but warfare isn't merely shooting the enemy, it is a lot of other things as well. And how you deal with threats can be just as important as anything else. If you're pinned down in a village where a sniper's taking out people walking along the street, you need to take the sniper out without doing too much damage to everyone else. A nuke is kinda the wrong weapon, and while a ninja with a sword might not be ideal, it's the better choice by far.

Those guys stocking up on AR-15s/AKs, and other guns because they're terrified that the government is going to throw themselves in FEMA camps are going to get fucked if that ever happens, because the military can handle shit like that. What's going on in Ukraine with drones? That's a little harder to handle, and if you've spent all your time on how to dive rolls and fire an AK, you'll have a steep learning curve when you try to use drones for the first time to do something. Those guys would be better served by going to Ukraine (or even Russia) and volunteering to help in the fight. That's the only way to hope to have parity skills with forces you might have to face in the future.

I completely agree with 90% of what you are saying*.

This is perfect testbed and while from a war fighting/logistics position it sucks for the Ukrainians to have 1700 different systems from a MIC standpoint we are learning so much.

Like while the CAESAR was an early champion in the self propelled howitzer class the fact that the barrels can’t be changed out, not just not in the field but not even in a Ukrainian maintenance facility, fuckers got to go back to France is a serious issue and why you don’t hear about them that much any more.

I’ll bet you dollars to donuts the next major upgrade to the CAESAR fixes that.

That is just one system. Ukraine is literally live fire testing out half the West’s arsenal.

I KNOW we are getting a lot of data from this. I HOPE it can lead to some consolidation in systems. I mean sure. Make them in your own country and feed your own industry but I really REALLY hope we come out of this realizing we need more systems/parts commonality.

*Grenada was when we realized the each branch as a silo approach wouldn’t work. Packard Commission was ‘85, Goldwater-Nichols ‘86, couple years to try and implement and then Gulf War I was the first time we got to see new system in action/work out the kinks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldwater%E2%80%93Nichols_Act