Jews bitch about (vaguely) swastika shaped retirement home

So if it was a letter...should any alphabet that happened to use that letter have to abandon it, to avoid protest?

Nope, and it isn't a coincidence that they didn't use a letter, either. They used a symbol that was highly speicifc and unique in Western culture, and thus were able to give it a lasting specific meaning.

Just in passing, let me reiterate that I don't think we shouldn't particularly build houses in the shape of a swastika, and neither does Liet, with whom you started this exchange. It's just that your argument is so far out there that I can't help but disagree, eben if we're in agreement as far as the building is concerned.

I'm saying that the mere presence of the shape, no matter how "complex" (whatever relevance that has), and with no connection to what the Germans made it mean when they borrowed (not created from scratch) the symbol, should not be subject to protest on those grounds.

Which part of that is "out there"? Because you seem to agree with that and I've argued nothing more.

Hmm, should we ban the cross and lower case "t's" because the KKK burn them as a symbol of hate?

Only if you are using a sans-serif font.

I've been through this before, so google your own pics. The swastika is not unique to northern european cultures. You'll find it engraved and painted upon things from North American Native to Buddhist and Hindu cultures over a period of several thousand years.

^^ That's what I said. It is uniquely nazi in Western culture (and has Aryan traditions that lead up to that and are thus perverted), while in other cultures, there are other meanings beyond that specific denotation.

I didn't realize they were used by native North Americans, though. A link on that topic would be welcome.

The part where you're questioning the relevance of complexity, and thus compare the swastika and letters of the alphabet to circles and squares, which is nonsense.

We shouldn't ban any symbols.

But if the shape "t" was ONLY ever used by the KKK, and never in Xianity or in various alphabets, then it would have a specific meaning, and would thus be very different to circles or squares. Who thinks of the letter o when he sees a planet? Nobody.

That shape wasn't an original creation of Nazi Germany, so regardless of complexity (which I still find irrelevant), there isn't even originality.

You've still to point out the "out there" part.

Biggest thing is that this isn't a big swastika hanging on a wall or something.

It's only this shape from an aerial view. From the angle that anyone sees it, it doesn't resemble a swastika at all, so the issue is pretty much moot.

Yes, that is the meat of it.

That would be the gravy.

No we just need a side :flow2:

Hey, are you saying Jews can't fly?!?!?!?

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They were offered the opportunity to relocate to a wonderful new assisted living facility, but for some reason those that toured it weren't too happy with it, either.

They can't complain about the shape anyways.

Good lesson on perspective there

They can, but they have to flap their ears really fast.

Well, complexity is immensely relevant, and I've pointed out why by comparison with letters, simple forms, other symbols, and shapes of nature. If you'll just ignore those comparisons and reiterate that you don't find it relevant, I can't stop you.

I don't think anyone claimed it was original; I certainly didn't. In its place and time, it was unique -- it wasn't used by any of the neighbouring nations in similar ways --, and it remains unique in Western culture today.

You don't actually think that there's any basis for concluding that marathon really believes that those comparisons should be ignored, do you? He's just a troll saying shit completely unrelated to what he actually believes in the hopes of dragging people into a hopeless fake debate. That's his shtick, and while he's an interesting poster when he departs from it, those departures are extremely rare.

The one thing you can count on from marathon with near certainty is that what he says is unrelated to whatever he actually believes. If you think you know what he believes, you've been successfully trolled.

None of that proves relevance. You're merely claiming it does.

Again, if they had chosen a square, would the vision of a square, anywhere, be legit for protest, based on its meaning?

You can't answer merely by saying "but they didn't choose a square".

I'm of the opinion that unless that Swastika is actually being used in the Nazi context, everybody needs to shut the fuck up.

Exactly. It's jsut a 20 sided polygon. A square is a four sided one.

If one is complex and one isn't, then surely Packard can say the magic number n at which an n-gon is "complex" enough to be relevant.

5, in fact. But I doubt CogSci is going to get me where simple logic doesn't.

Why would it, since not even the swastika is "legit for protest"? Do you think a square is more objectionable than a swastika? Why?

No more and no less, and that's been my argument. Complexity is irrelevant.

Nice try, but I'm not letting you pull a Packard and turn it around. Defend the stance you started with.

They're all up in arms about my summer camp for kids with ADD. Something about the little yellow stars I give them to wear when they exhibit good concentration.

^I told you not to call it that in the literature!

Heheh. My goal in life now is to become an architect and design a building that looks blatantly like a swastika--maybe a 5 story building with two cantilevered arms, midway up, a one-story wing on one side at the ground, a similar one going the other way on the 5th floor, and vertical arms on the end of each cantilevered arm--one up and one down.

The only part that I think would be architecturally very challenging is the one unsupported upward "arm", at the end of the cantilever.

No, it's not exactly the same. And I'm surprised that someone who is a graphic artist doesn't see the obvious differences.

Dude, I also build models of Nazi airplanes. I know a hakencruz when I see one. Adding the little do-dads at the tips didn't hide it. I not only know what one looks like, I have the WWII painting manual with proper proportion specs.

Here ya go.

Come on.

Who cares what shape the building is? These are the elderly in assisted living...these fuckers want to take money away from their care to hide a stupid shape that can only be seen from the air?

People need to grow the fuck up and consider prioritizing.