JJ Abrams Turning Westworld into an HBO Series **SPOILERS WITHIN**

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  1. Ebeneezer Goode

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    Could be the bullets are made of components held together, say electromagnetically, so they remain intact when hitting a host, but disperse when hitting a guest so providing a kinetic 'punch' but without the ability to penetrate skin.

    Sort of safety feature I'd want. Click a switch and every bullet in the park turns to dust.
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    unless it dispersed to a wide area, breaking up wouldn't alleviate injury. Much.
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    My guess on the bullets, the gun is a smart gun. Right before it fires, the gun determines whether the target is a host or a guest. If the target is a host, the bullet gets "charged" which solidifies the bullet. Summer kind of process makes the bullet solid and lets it damage the host. If the bullet is not charged, then it is not solidified and breaks up in like we saw in the pilot, it looks like it just breaks up in a small puff of powder.
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    They just work. :)
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    All depends on particle size and shape of the dispersed bullet. You want it to kick and hurt, which is does as we saw in ep2, so shifting the shape will changed velocity. Mass remains the same, so the force will be correspondingly less and distributed over a wider area, and you get a nasty bruise rather than a new orifice.
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  6. Forbin

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    That's just not a financially sound way to run the park.
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    I'm leaning towards yes because of the difficulty of getting to that part of the park. Logan (the guy being a douche-bag to William) said they had found an Easter Egg in the previous episode when they caught that one bad guy. He was super excited because even he had never been to that part of the park.

    My question is if there are no guests in that part of the park do the hosts just stand there and wait until someone shows up? In order to conserve energy not to mention to save time on repairs from fighting each other?
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    Am I crazy or are there different timelines at play here.

    Dolores is getting interviewed by Ford in the glass room at HQ but then boom, she's back with the Guests at the place where the orgy is like she never left.
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    That's one theory.

    I don't believe in the different timelines. It would be too hard to pull off.

    It does beg the question of how they get Dolores into the room at HQ but I think they dropped a clue last week.

    One of the host repair techs, the one picking on the Asian guy and his bird, was talking about going into a VR tank. Virtual Reality could be used to connect inside the hosts and that is why they always ask them about dreaming.

    This is why it seems there is never anyone else around when they are interviewing the hosts. Also why it seems they are able to put a host back exactly where it was and in the same position when it went to sleep.

    The only time the hosts go below for real is when they are damaged and need to be repaired. Then you see other people walking around the area.
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    Or maybe the humans are the ones living in an artificial dream world and the hosts are actually running an advanced simulation to keep the humans from realizing they lost the war with the machines and are being used as batteries. :chris:
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    It strongly indicates there is an embedded command that activates various bits of code or sets some special data flags, acting much like a hypnotic suggestion.
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    This may be very, very spoilerish, but it's a very interesting theory.

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    The show runners have said they want to mess with the fans who like to make theories over everything.

    I think the two time line thing is a red herring.

    That video makes a good case but it misses a couple things against the time theory.

    #1 In the show we see a Essos technician talk to Stubbs about Dolores going off her path. We see that same technician ask Stubbs about giving the MIB permission to use explosives. Is it possible that Stubbs and the other employees are hosts? Could be but I doubt it.

    #2 When Dolores gets attacked by the gang of men and she's about to shoot the one in the barn she has a flashback of the MIB and then she shoots when Arnold tells her. She then runs away and finds William and his partner.

    But to me the biggest reason the two timelines don't work is the hosts themselves.

    MIB and Ford have both spoken about the hosts. Ford points out his drinking buddy (where they store hosts) was noisy and limited in how it talked to guests. You can see and even hear the host as it moves and talk. The MIB complains to Teddy that hosts used to be made up of a many pieces and we see flashbacks to what the old hosts looked like on the inside. MIB complains that the new versions of the hosts are a cruel thing to have been created.

    William and Logan are dealing with the new versions of the hosts. Not the originals from 30 years ago. The versions 30 years ago were robots and were limited in their conversation and mannerisms. As the park moved on Ford created better versions of Hosts until what we see now in the show.

    I think we will see MIB and Teddy collide with William and Logan and Dolores in future episodes.
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    The biggest reason I think MIB is not William is because of the conversation that MIB has with Ford in the bar. MIB straight up tells Ford that the park only survived because he, the MIB, made it happen. We know Ford has mentioned the money-men in the past saved the park. That to me is what MIB did which is why he is allowed in the park and gets whatever he wants. Also it seems to me that Logan and William just don't fit within the MIB theme. I can't see either of them turning into him.
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    A fan rumor is that one of the robots is actually an android body inhabited by the consciousness by one of the dead creators of the park. Apparently, the android's name is an anagram for the dead guy. This would seem to open up a number of potential storylines for them to follow.
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    OOOOH!!! :soma: :soma: :soma:

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    I knooooow..... gave me fooking goosebumps.

    Room seemed set in the 90s. 1st gen flat screen monitors, some CRTs. So that would have been a relic from 20 years before?
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    My big question is why are they letting these lower levels go to shit?

    Okay so you're not using them but that doesn't mean you can't take care of them. If you can't use it trash it or give it away or sell it. Do basic maintenance walk-through stuff. You never know when you could use a floor again. Hell you could set up more rec rooms for staff even though I think it's obvious that they don't give a fuck about the employees. You could have a proper storage room for the old hosts who frankly should have been broken up for parts or just shredded.

    Hell I fully expect them to find a colony of old hosts living in the lower levels one day.
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    That's him isn't it. Been too long since I saw the movie to say for sure!
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    Yes, that is him, Yul Brenner as the Gunslinger from the original movie.
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    I noticed tonight, the very first scene in the latest episode when Mauve (Thandie Newton) walks into the brothel, the self playing piano seems to be playing a version of Radioheads fake plastic trees. Nice touch? coincidence? Hidden meaning?
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    Yep. They dug him out of his grave and posted him up in that scene. ;)

    But seriously I wonder if that was a host they forgot down there or a life size mannequin? Probably a forgotten host.
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    Possibly. They played Paint it Black and Black Hole Sun in previous episodes.

    The Paint it Black one is awesome.
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    It looks like he was just left there/forgotten because the whole "downstairs" area looks like it was just left in a hurry or possibly just abandoned. But it does help to indicate that the "years ago" would have been the events in the movie.
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    About that.
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    Spoilsport. :bergman:
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    Certainly didn't see that one coming! :shock:

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    They're dropping clues all over the place.

    Bernard was obviously designed to infiltrate upper management and provide a firewall against meddling because prior employees weren't trustworthy, given how the board wants to use the IP outside the park (revolutionizing all of society with robots).

    But it's also revealed that nobody really understands Arnold's code. Perhaps that's because it wasn't completely written by a human. Perhaps that's because it was in large part copied from Arnold's code.

    And this gets to why they haven't shown us Arnold: