Kavanaugh accuser comes forward

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  1. Steal Your Face

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    "Why is it acceptable to write "people of color" but not acceptable to write "colored people"? I don't mind being referred to either way and neither do my friends." - TLS

    I think it's time society moved on from both of these terms. I think "pigmentally augmented" sounds about right.
     
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    How about we stop focusing on skin color all together?
     
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    works for me! Most people don't focus on it anyway unless it's beneficial to prove a political point or get some type of advantage. I think one of the most pathetic and ridiculous (and insulting) things is how hispanics are in kind of a Shrodinger's cat situation. Depending on who is doing the categorizing and to what purpose, they can be white, hispanic, hispanic/black, hispanic/non-black etc.
     
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    France tried that. It didn’t work out too well for them. Lots of Paris went up in flames back in about 2005. Seems that while the government didn’t worry about skin color, most of the general population did, and they didn’t like hiring people with darker skin.

    Turns out that if you don’t pay attention to such things like skin color, religion, and the like, you can’t tell if a particular group is being screwed over, until they get tired of being unemployed for generations and decide to torch the place.
     
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    That tweet I posted the other day about the girl who was 14 when Joe Biden complimented her breasts?
    Now that story is cropping up in several more places:

    https://lawandcrime.com/high-profil...as-14-years-old-by-complimenting-her-breasts/
    https://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2020/05/woman-claims-biden-harassed-14-complimenting-breasts/

    Some of those "news" sites aren't very reliable, but they won't stay there, not for long. HotAir is a part of TownHall Media, and that site is a popular conservative hotspot for news. You can bet it won't stay there for long.

    All of you who are defending Biden, you know what he's done in public, on camera, for decades. You know Joe Biden blatantly lies, and yet its Tara's credibility that suffers. There were more women uncomfortable with Biden's aggressive fondling. Will this young woman lack credibility, too, because she didn't come forward sooner? I mean, that didn't matter with Ford, but clearly it matters now, every little speck and hole in her story must be examined closely before drawing any kind of conclusions. That wasn't done with Ford/Kavanaugh, because at the time it was "believe women," even Joe Biden himself said as much, so did Time's Up, and the Me Too movement. Where are they now with Tara? Where will they be with this young woman?

    Remember when you derided Trump supporters for constantly covering for Trump's actions towards other women?
    Pepperidge Farm remembers.
     
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    That tweet from Eva Murry is now a headline in the Washington Examiner and on FOX news. They're both very conservative outlets, but I'll be fucked if the outlets that cater to more Democratic/liberal news aren't sitting on their hands here while this happens. What respect I had for those publications has drastically declined as they drag their feet, or otherwise outright put up misleading headlines while women come forward about Biden's behavior. I've watched, in real time, news sites post a headline and then change it to better suit the former Vice President. It makes you stop and really think about how much manipulation goes into all of this.

    So here they are:

    Washington Examiner
    Source: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ed-on-her-breasts-at-an-event-when-she-was-14

    FOX
    Tara Reade canceled her interview with FOX because she's started receiving death threats against herself and her daughter. She has been doxxed. Hopefully she can get some kind of protection.

    You better fix your shit, Democrats. You said Joe Biden was electable. The DNC said the same thing, and they pushed to have their centrist candidates circle the wagons around Joe Biden. You said this knowing that public video of Biden's behavior towards women and children was available to all. You said this knowing that women had already come forward over the years to say Biden had touched them, or sniffed their hair. You knew this.

    The liberal and women empowered outlets that were "Me too!" "Time's UP!" and "Believe Women" two years ago are now either silent or issue non-answer answers to questions about him. Tara Reade clearly can't count on the pink pussy hats to come to her aid. Will Eva Murry be dragged through the mud, too? I suspect so. She'll be a Russian bot, or a liar, or whatever you have to say to dismiss their voices because their story "just doesn't add up, it changed," it might be said, despite those same words being said of Christine Blasey Ford. "It's out of character for Joe Biden," you might say, because when has Joe Biden ever violated the personal space of another woman without her permission? Surely there would be some evidence of that, right? You wouldn't just dismiss that as harmless touching would you? Because that would be like condoning it and Democrats are the party that takes the high road! When they go low we go high, right? Right?! Of course! Democrats would never treat a woman who came forward like the GOP treated Ford.

    Obvious sarcasm aside, you have enough time to change course. You can get rid of Biden. There are plenty of people who still believe the Democratic party has some kind of ethic. I mean, I don't, but there are more than enough if you choose someone else, almost anyone else. You can still salvage this, maybe. If you decide to go headlong into it, though, then I don't give a fuck what happens anymore. There will be TWO parties that throw women under the bus after they've used them to their own ends, and I have no room for either of them.

    This isn't going away.

    Hell, today a New Hampshire representative stepped down because he declared that Tara Reade was lying because you can't fit fingers into a vagina while standing up unless she cooperated. Don't believe me? See Richard N. Komi, courtesy of Glenn Greenwald (Komi removed his tweet):



    Oh, and while an AP article didn't mention it in their headline, burying it towards the end of the article, there have been two more corroborating witnesses:



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    And now ABC has it:



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    Regarding the 14 year old, the person in charge of the location where this was to have occurred said Joe Biden wasn't there that night, so either Eva is misremembering the date/event, or there is more to the story. It's still worth investigating, because Joe Biden has an on record history of saying these types of things to kids.

    This is from a TIME magazine article written in 2015:
    Source: https://time.com/3713264/joe-biden-stephanie-carter-shoulder-rub/
     
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  11. Amaris

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    Oops! Just saw this, but it came out earlier today.

    Anita Hill calls for independent investigation into the charges against both Joe Biden and Donald Trump.
    Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/02/us/politics/tara-reade-joe-biden-metoo.html

     
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    A lot of his arguments are fairly weak. The majority of them, it seems to me, come at best under the heading of "If it were to turn out that the accusation is a completely and deliberately false exaggeration of what actually happened, this would be an explantion of how the allegations are compatible with that state of affairs." IOW, they do not actually offer any specific evidence that favors not finding the accusation credible, but only say that it is possible that it might not be.

    One of his points, however, seems very strong to me:
    I have no problem whatsoever with the fact that the accusation didn't come out for 27 years. The climate for such accusations in the 90s was not what it is today, and I can fully understand that a woman could be very reluctant to make an accusation, knowing that a rich and powerful man might be able to destroy her even further for it, that there is no proof, and that she might not want to have the facts of such a horrible experience dragged into the public spotlight. (Stern, in fact, makes this same point in his writing, saying explicitely "I understand that victims of sexual assault often do not come forward immediately because recounting the most violent and degrading experience of their lives, to a bunch of strangers, is the proverbial insult to injury.")

    Nevertheless, a completely understandable unwillingness to come forward with the complaint is not the same thing, at all, as forgetting what happened. Even if no one else knew about it, she knew about it. And it couldn't help but be very prominent in the way she thinks of that man, through the years, especially as regards his defense of women's rights.

    So what credible explanation is there for the fact that, so many times, in 2017, she voluntarily came forward to praise or defend Joe Biden as being a champion in fighting against the very behavior that, if her accusation is true, she knew very well he himself was guilty of committing? I can think of very plausible counter-arguments to all the other points that Stern brings out. In one or two cases they might be a "stretch", but not all that unreasonable of a stretch. They are at least possible. But I just can't think of a credible way of explaining how a woman who had suffered such a brutal, degrading sexual attack by a man would go on later to praise him as a champion of women's rights, when no one was making her do it. I would like very much for those who are convinced that her testimony is so credible that it should be accepted without reserve to enlighten me on this point.

    Because otherwise, the whole thing sounds too much like a fervent Sanders supporter who is trying one, last, desperate ploy to get "her man" into the race in November, despite the voters having overwhelmingly said he is not their choice.
     
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    There you go @garamet , there is your guy. You are telling me I am supposed to respect that? You are telling me this guy is a smart one?

    Yup, I knew this POS would show his ass even more when the time came. Just another time I was fucking right! Thanks for being there for me assy.
     
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    It all comes down to she wants to do something and is she says anything she would have ruined that chance and been blacklisted. Maybe you don't understand as much as you think because I, The princesss of tldr, put it plain and simple.

    Wow @Shirogayne this one is another winner. I bet he is racist too. I could be wrong, but I am sure assclown will prove me right by saying way too much.
     
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    You make very good points. I can't think of any reason either for her saying complimentary things about a guy that supposedly abused her. Then again, I'm not a woman and I've never been assaulted. Women tend to think and handle things MUCH differently than men do. The fact that she's now a Bernie supporter instead of Biden doesn't exactly make her previous compliments a wash. The only thing we can do is look at the facts, as hard as they are to find, and make a judgement based on that. My first response to these type of charges is not to believe either side until I see some kind of evidence. If she filed a report of some kind, then lets see it. She's now saying that "sexual harassment" wasn't in the complaint that she filed. It's now a complaint about "feeling uncomfortable" with how he talked to her. We also have someone who has come forward claiming that Reade told her of this incident back in 1995 or 1996. I hope that evidence does come out that will shed light on what the truth is. And if that ever happens, whomever is lying deserves to be in prison. Him if he did it, and her if she made the whole thing up.
     
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    A friend of a friend was raped by her then-boyfriend. Two years later, we come across a guy at a Halloween party where she let the guy hold her newborn son

    That doesn't mean he didn't rape her.

    :shrug:
     
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    No, but if at some point she wanted to convince people she'd been raped, that wouldn't help her story.
     
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    Her baby daddy (now ex-husband) seemed to agree. He got really angry and threw a shit fit saying maybe the baby wasn't his after all and the two of them blew up and fucked off from one another all night while me and our mutural friend took care of the kid that neither of them came to check on after their trailer park antics.

    Great times. :marathon:
     
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