Leftforge Doesn't Understand the Second Amendment...

Air Force FTW!

Now let's create a six-page diversion around the salient point that They. Were. Not. Armed.

And, go, Gunforge!

They weren't armed because they obey the law. The jihadist, in contrast, had an AK-47 with 300 rounds of ammunition because he obey's a higher law, Allah's law, that says he must kill all the infidels to get his 72 virgins. The victim of such attacks is the idea of gun control, because it changes the narrative to us versus them, and we refuse to die on our knees.

If Islamic jihadists are going to pop out of the woodwork armed to the teeth because of our politically correct nonsense, then you, me, and everybody will have to take them out. Not every jihadist is going to make the amateur mistake of starting his slaughter by charging out of a bathroom within arm's reach of military servicemen. From Ft Bliss to Charlie Hebdo, Garland Texas, and Chattanooga, these attacks are reinforcing the idea that all Americans must remain armed and vigilant because we're once again living in Indian country. Instead of cowering, The jihadists trying to attack our soft underbelly will find Americans shouting "Fill your hands you son of a bitch!" as we gun them down like John Wayne.

An Indian, a white guy, and a Muslim were visiting a National Park, looking at the horizon, and the Indian said "Once we were many, but now we are few." The Muslim said "Once we were few in this land, but now we are many." The white guy said "That's because we've never played cowboys and Arabs."

^Point being that if Forbin had been on that train, he'd be cowering under a seat trying not to piss himself thinking " Oh, if only I had my [weapon(s) of choice] with me, I could go Rambo on this guy's ass!" instead of "Dad would have jumped the guy and busted his arm with one hand."

Here is a question for gunforge: Would you change anything, anything at all, about our current gun laws?

And the thread grinds to a halt...

It depends on the state - all are different as you might know. Georgia has very fair gun laws that go hand-in-hand with fair self defense laws. That said all the laws in the world mean nothing if people don't obey them. As for our heroes "not needing guns" in this case things do not always work out this favorable when it comes to unarmed folks taking on people armed with not one but two guns.
To be honest this was an issue of effective training (the US military) versus enthusiastic but untrained, amateurish terrorism. That seems to be a pattern lately with terrorism (versus just plain crazy shooters with no political motivations). Heavily armed but no actual tactical/realistic/hands-on training get taken out by run-of-the-mill cops and military. The bad guys do the "spray and pray" a lot it seems.

So let's bring back the draft, eh? If the drugstore cowboys wanna play with gunz, they need to have the proper training.

Dayton's past his sell-by date, but we could see whether @Federal Farmer can survive Basic.

It depends on the branch really. Anyone can make it through Army basic. The other branches not so much. That said different branches have different missions & mindsets, emphasizing different skill sets. I do know these days Army basic training (my son recently went through) does some pretty high-speed tactical training, much of it weapons related. And he's just a wimpy a combat medic - actual grunts of course are all about weaponry and advanced combat skills. Air Force guys are holy-shit in way better physical shape now than they were when I was in 1980-1984.

I know a little something about the differences, just from talking to people across the various services.

So, not to put you on the spot or anything (), do you think @Federal Farmer could cut it?

I've said many times that I don't see anything wrong with a universal background check. Unless I misunderstood it, the one the Democrats tried to pass after Sandy Hook looked good to me. It would have even forbade a gun registration.

OTOH, I think the Federal Import Ban is silly.

How old is Federal Farmer? Older than 34 (unless that has changed again) and you can't get in the Army no matter what. Other branches have different age standards. Back in the day the AF max age to join was only 28 or 26 or something.

He's a kid. Under 25, easily. He posts as if he's 12, but I'm giving him the benefit of simply having led a sheltered life.

Gun ownership in Detroit. The African American community is embracing guns for self-protection.

Fucking awesome! We have (through numerous WF members exhausting research) determined that black-on-black gun violence is the most prevalent. It only makes sense that the people who are the most victimized are given the chance to protect themselves. Every city with high gun violence should jump onto this band wagon. Liberals and anti-gun people can eat a big fat bag of dicks if they don't like this.

There you go again...

Did you ever stop to consider - that maybe "those people" are white liberals? I guess it's all a matter of perspective.

What a poorly written article. "No figures are available but home invasions went down."

If no figures are available then how do they know they went down? Also a "home invasion" is just a burglary so why not call it that? Oh, that is right, because the gun nuts want to use military terms so they can pretend they are Rambo out to kill the gooks.

Are you and Garamet joined at the hip? It's getting hard to tell where one ends and the other begins. BTW a burglary is committed when nobody is home (or probably sleeping) and stealth is paramount. A home invasion is committed with no intent to be stealthy, using sudden and overwhelming force, violence or intimidation.

No such law in this state. It is called residential burglary and they have three different levels. Home invasion is just a term invented by posters to try to get more shock value like pretending the inheritance tax (where money is passed to the next of kin) a death tax. The term death tax is retarded because the person paying the inheritance tax is very much alive.

Home invasion differs from burglary in that its perpetrators have a violent intent apart from the unlawful entry itself, specific or general, much the same way as aggravated robbery—personally taking from someone by force—is differentiated from mere larceny (theft alone).

It is a recognized crime in Michigan.

Or, you could just tell me how being unarmed and effectively stopping a crime is relevant to the 2nd amendment of your constitution.

Cool! Good definition - it should be a different crime too, because "home invasion" has a much, much higher chance of ending up with fatal results than a standard burglary.

Carrying a gun you have the option/opportunity of not getting stabbed with a box cutter while stopping the crime? I think that's the final version of the story - one of the heroes was stabbed in the neck, not shot. Not having to get close enough to get stabbed to stop the threat is always a plus.

In your posts? No. It's always "Chicago!!! Detroit!!! South L.A.!!!!!" followed by "Augusta is a hellhole!!!!1"

Then you go on to 'splain how you're not prejudiced because you work with...and some of your best friends are...


That aside, because this incident took place on a train, I was reminded of the time there was a gun incident on the subway in NY, and @Uncle Albert, bless his heart, spent pages insisting that he could have shot the perp without hurting anyone else, in a crowded moving rush-hour train. This from an asshat in Omaha who's probably never been on a train in his life and most certainly has never ridden the IRT during rush hour. Hilarious...

So, you, unlike that man, would have been too afraid to jump in?

Ooo, I see @Captain X is panicked at the thought of being drafted.

Not at all. I would have jumped in to stop the bad guy like 99 percent of everyone who ever served (let alone retired) would do. It's the way our brains are wired or something. Maybe we are too stupid to think things through - we just act when it's life-and-death. It's very common in an emergency for a military member to be the first or among the first to act.

Ah, okay. This can be a good or a bad thing, depending on the situation.
But I wouldn't say it's stupidity if trained instincts jump into action.

It might be stupidity on my part! Most people my age have a ten year plan? I have a ten second plan. But yes, training does kick in sometimes many years later.