Man to die for leaving girl to be eaten by gators

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Sherlock Holmes, Oct 18, 2007.

  1. Sherlock Holmes

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  2. Caboose

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    :mad: Sure would be nice to be able to stop this kinda shit before it happens.
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  3. Tex

    Tex Forge or die. Administrator Formerly Important

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    I hope he's killed very violently in prison, lethal injection is too good for this monster.
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    This is a really old story. I can remeber reading about this back a few years ago
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    [YT=Polk Salad Annie]2W5nlIbBdDs[/YT]
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  7. Cervantes

    Cervantes Fighting windmills

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    Alligator Alley's just 10 minutes away from where I live...Jesus, i really need to move. Every other day I see some WF story about violent crimes happening within minutes of my home.
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    Stallion Team Euro!

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    At least two terrorist arseholes didn't try and drive a 4wheel drive loaded with gas cannistors into the airport 10 minutes drive from your home!
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  9. Clyde

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    Despite countless tales of similar depravity some folk still don't understand the necessity of the death penalty.
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    Dan Leach Climbing Staff Member Moderator

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    It is not necessary thats why :shrug:
    Places with the DP statistically have more violent crime, not less
  11. Clyde

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    I know better than to attempt to sway your opinion but in my opinion some acts merit nothing short of death.
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  12. Dan Leach

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    Dan Leach Climbing Staff Member Moderator

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    Who gets to decide who deserves to die... you? A judge? A jury?

    Sensible people trust none of them
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    I understand your position and you're far from alone in your opinion. Yet it is one's actions not another's judgment that determines consequence.
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    Dan Leach Climbing Staff Member Moderator

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    No, someone has to decide (judge)beforehand which actions lead to which consequences. There has to be precedent (well, most of the time)
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    I think you will find that plenty of us who oppose the death penalty will agree with your opinion whole-heartedly.

    However as much as those criminals might deserve death, innocents caught up in the system deserve to live even more. Obviously we need a justice system with punishments, and putting offenders like this behind bars for the rest of their lives is the best compromise in my opinion. At least then someone wrongly convicted has at least a slightly better chance of proving their innocence.

    Same reason I think that the appeals process should never be cut off. Better that someone guilty has ten unsuccesful appeals than an innocent person is unable to get themselves freed because the system says they have had enough tries.
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    I have a slightly different view, i'm against the DP because i believe killing people is wrong, plain and simple. Not only is the state just as bad as a murderer, its even worse given that no-one should ever trust the government THAT much.
    If you want detterent, the DP has been shown to completely not work
    If you want prevention then there are more intelligent ways to prevent than killing people.
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  18. Clyde

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    So you're okay with this bit:

    Sounds like you're okay with judgment so long as the sentence isn't death.

    Seems more like you're comfortable with justice insofar as it can be undone. Which is of course lunacy, you cannot undo an innocent man spending decades of his life in prison.
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    I dont believe it is wrong to lock someone up for the common good. I do believe it is wrong for anyone to kill anyone else in a premeditated manner
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    Elwood I know what I'm about, son.

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    Well ain't that just a lovely thought? :marathon:
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    I love how many times DP has been mentioned in this thread!! :soma:
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  22. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    Not really but it's a necessity, one which you yourself must either believe, or not believe and be a hypocrite by being involved in a line of work which involves doing just that.
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    But at least he can be released. Your argument seems to basically be "Well, since he's already spent decades in prison, might as well kill him."

    It's hard, in a case like this, to argue against the death penalty, because I'd surely love to see this man get fed to an alligator himself, or at least burn in the electric chair.

    And when you argue against the death penalty for scum like him, people accuse you of feeling sympathy for the killer. Let me assure you, I don't. If he gets shanked in prison, I will smile. But I just don't trust the government enough to actually determine who lives and dies.
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    Dan made no qualifications on the "common good" in that remark.
  25. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    I think we can default "common good" to mean a law abiding society/public safety.
  26. rightfulownership

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    i wonder how killers would react to a law that required them to die as they killed their victims
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    Unfortunately, that silly little law about cruel and unusual punishment falls into play.

    Otherwise I agree. Get what you give to the full extent. :yes:

    I'd also be for bringing back the gallows, nothing like a picnic out with the family. :D
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  28. rightfulownership

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    aww but couldn't we bible-thump "an eye for an eye" into upper management?

    :Pope:
  29. Bailey

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    They wouldn't really react any differently I would say.

    There are very few criminals that actually expect to get caught.
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  30. rightfulownership

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    the mere thought of potentially being thrown to alligators if i got caught would be enough to deter me.

    then again i'm slightly sane.