Mass shooting in Thousand Oaks

Here we go again.

Thoughts and prayers, blah, blah, blah....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46135459

Insert "country music" joke here.

Seriously, fuck this asshole.

impossible - they have strict (relatively speaking compared to Georgia for example) gun control.
what....too soon? Now to get down to brass tacks: personally I recognize this for what it is....a tragedy. A tragedy like a multi vehicle high speed DUI involved crash, carbon monoxide poisoning from
running a generator inside the home, fentanyl overdose epidemic, etc etc etc. All of these things are made worse because:
1) they could have been prevented
2) one or more asshole humans are responsible
3) it has happened before, and will happen again
4) all the regulations and laws in the world - all the education and dissemination of information in the world - won't stop human caused tragedies from occurring

this is the last word I have to say on this incident. You all can argue & debate & point fingers at each other until the cows come home but this is but one tragedy out of the thousands that will play out across the US today and carries no more or less weight than any other tragedy in the long lexicon of tragedy.

Yes, it is a tragedy, but no, it can’t be compared to a vehicle accident, a generator running or a drug overdose (unless these were planned). This is a crime, not an accident. Someone went out their way to gun people down. I know where you are coming from, but the key difference in those situations is the word deliberate!

Generally (granted, not always) a multi vehicle smash, generators in the home or drug overdoses are not deliberate attempts to take lives.

So yes, state your point but at least get your comparators accurate.

You forgot: California has some of the most strict gun laws in the country blah blah blah

So, Gunforge, are fucking smoke grenades protected by the second amendment?

Time to fire up the merry-go-round again...

Nope, they're not firearms, they're special effects. Feel free to ban them.

There there, it's ok, you have your DC avatar to protect you. Fuck off with the gun though.

So? Your problem is the American cultural attitude towards guns. Plus, guns are widely available in California, stricter gun laws or otherwise.

I don't get how you gun types trot out "stricter gun laws" as meaning "proves regulation does nothing". Besides, they aren't my idea of strict. Fact is is still pretty easy to get a weapon in California, just as it is elsewhere.

I don't own a gun , just pointing out that barring a complete ban and confiscation youre not going to stop this from happening.

So what's your solution?

Commit genocide.

Because that's what it would take to go door to door and get every gun. It's not just the legal guns. You'd have to hunt down all the illegal ones as well.

Meanwhile completely ignore the main issue that almost all mass shooters have in common: mental health problems.

That would be his solution.

My position is what it always has been. You Americans have little chance of ever solving your gun violence problem until you accept that your cultural attitude to the gun needs examining. The gun is glorified by too many in your society. Treated as an object of fascination and hobby, not a dangerous weapon or tool. Once you begin to wake up to the fact that your attitude towards gun is different from all other first world nations you might then you can start to have the conversation you need to have together as Americans. The adult, intelligent conversation as opposed to the childish partisan nonsense where people default.

Until you start treating this issue like adults, anything else, including regulation, is just like covering a stab wound with a band aid. The underlying cultural issue has to be addressed. Problem is that because you're inside America looking out so many are in denial that there is a cultural issue because you just don't know what it is to view the gun in a different way.

Ahh, the classic strawman rears it's head again.

Please quote the people here who advocate taking all the guns.

I'll wait....

This is America. Not the UK. We shoot. You stab.

Nope.

But why bother banning them?

One incident where they are used and you're going to ban them?

that's easy: restrictive gun laws eliminating entire classes of guns and requiring licensing with periodic renewals. Licensing requirements should require a certificate of competency, both for gun safety and mental health. Laws should be consistent state to state so fuckers can't just drive to Reno to get their jollies.

Not calling for their ban, necessarily. But if their main application is military use, it's hard to see why they should be on the open market.

It’s not their only use.

They are used in search and rescue as well.

Also producing smoke isn’t hard.

Search and rescue, as usually performed by law enforcement?

And the people who need rescuing. Usually they are the ones to use the smoke. You know when you’re on that life raft in the ocean and it’s the middle of the day making using flares not a good option. You use the smoke.

you need to be a licensed pyrotechnician to get them here...

I'm not feeling the loss of my freedom for it.

Exactly...

Califonia has super strict gun laws!!!
sure, and Nevada sells them out of vending machines.

Media is saying the guy's name is Ian Long. Apparently he's a former Marine. I wonder if he had PTSD or a traumatic brain injury or something.

Some say you have to have a traumatic brain injury just to become a Marine.

or just a gun nut. lose the avatar.

Well, he's provably white so must be mental illness of some kind....

My position is also what it always has been. You are irrelevant, and nobody gives a shit what you think.

Licensing requires the creation and maintenance of a government database of all firearm owners, a database that could be used by fascist tyrants like Trump to identify those who would resist his Empire. Licensing requirements could be manipulated by racist tyrants to systematically disenfranchise and disarm minority groups to make their subjugation that much easier.

Why are you wanting minorities less safe in Trump's America?

No, I'm for fair and equal disarmament. Obviously this won't happen under Trump, we'll have to wait for a fascist left wing government.