Natural Gas

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  1. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

    Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee Straight Awesome

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    Is there a way to store natural gas to prevent service interruptions in case of natural disaster, etc?
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    ed629 Morally Inept Banned

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    No, not really. CNG (Compressed Natural Gas) needs to be stored at over 3,000psi. Propane is stored at ~200psi. It can be done but it would be extremely expensive and propane has over twice the energy content. You'd be better off converting over to LPG and hand having a LPG tank installed.
  3. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

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    Hmmm. I'm looking for ways to store energy in case of a natural disaster. Would diesel just be better?
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    Is this a thread about farting?
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    Petroleum-based fuels have a definite shelf life. Gasoline, for example, will eventually turn to goo if left long enough.

    Long term storage? Depends on what you want to use your fuel for. If it's just heating and cooking, coal is probably your best bet. Running engines? Ethanol might be the way to go.
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    Depends on what you're talking about natural disaster wise. A week or so? Get a couple of generators and enough gas to run them that long. One to run the fridge, the other to run a few lights and a window shaker A/C unit. Want more? Get a propane powered generator.
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    Any ideas on soundproofing a generator?
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    A wall of sandbags, barrier materials. You'll never be able to sound proof one, but you can significantly reduce its sound signature. Just the nature of the beast.
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    Poured concrete walls 6 to 8 inches thick with a roof should dampen the sound fairly well.
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    Analyze the frequency of the generator's sound, then build a device to generate opposing sound waves that are 180 degrees out of sync (phase?) with the generator's sound profile. That's what they did with military helicopters to reduce noise.
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    Natural gas stores, generators, sound proofing.

    Should we expect to see you on the next series of preppers??
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    IIRC, diesel will keep forever.
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    No it won't. It'll gum up just like gasoline. We ran into this problem with all the 5 tons and deuce and a half that were brought back from Saudi in 91. Come 93 the fuel lines were all clogged with good because the diesel had degraded
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    Diesel has a longer shelf life than gasoline, but it won't last forever. Because it attracts water, in long term storage diesel is prone to developing algae.

    They make products to stabilize diesel for long term storage similar to the ones used for gasoline.
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    A solar array might work for your post-disaster needs, but then the black helicopters might spot you. In which case you're screwed either way, unless you can hide your generator's exhaust heat signature.

    If you "escape" to a place with a lot of natural heat, they'd be less likely to find you. Like Yellowstone. Or Iceland.
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    I always figured some sort of fuel cell would be better than a generator, at least in terms of noise. I also figure short term, I can do without the power. Longer term, I think that implies an array of other, larger problems.