Nazi-punching split from meme thread

Albert and Jenee and FF and Lanzman and whoever else don't give a shit, because they know they're certain they'll never be on the other end of that particular knife. You'll note we never see them defending the free speech of BLM or Antifa or Occupy members so vigorously. It's almost exactly like they're worthless hypocrites or something.

Talk about digging in. Show us the pics of you beating up nazis or shut the fuck up.

FF has been making the exact same demand for years. Tererun too. That's how low you've sunk, that you've found yourself parroting those two.

Congratulations?

I think the argument is about internet tough talk. Out of all the people here that talk about punching Nazis, @Spaceturkey is the only one that I figure might ever have actually punched a Nazi. That's the nuance I think I'm missing. Rhetorical violence vs. actual violence.

Nah, that's just misdirection. We have arguments about the morality/ethicality of different shooting incidents all the time, but you don't see the same sort of "show us the pics of you shooting someone" posturing like we get when the topic is punching Nazis. We don't even get "show us the dashcam footage of you running over protesters" or "go carry out capital punishment yourself if you believe in it so much" posts when that topic comes up. "Nazis are a harmless bunch of guys and you're the villain for punching one" is an inherently uncomfortable take, and I'm sure the people saying so know that, so they're eager to shift the focus of the discussion away from that reality.


*Back when the Taliban were overrunning Afghanistan and I was outraged that American forces still pulling out (I didn't realize how badly Trump had tipped the scales in favour of the Taliban at the time), people did post similarly themed "why don't you go fight the Taliban yourself then?" responses, again because I think "we should do nothing while these civilians are killed and oppressed" is a similarly uncomfortable position to take, and they wanted to shift the focus then as well.

**Fun fact: I hadn't posted at all in this tangent thread (or said anything about punching Nazis lately) when the "Doc's just an internet tough guy" talk started and went on for several pages.

I've never had to pay for a drink in a gay bar, unless you count the taste of clove cigarettes in my mouth as payment.

For what it's worth, I don't ever think deadly force is justified in self defense because taking someone's life is just as immoral as the person who is attempting to take your life.

But if a Nazi is marching around espousing Nazi beliefs (i.e., mass murder and genocide), and I was on the jury for the person who punched them (or worse), I'd vote not guilty.

There has been a lot of equivocating that communism and capitalism have lead to just as many, if not more deaths. But the difference is that Naziism is unequivocally an ideology that inherently threatens genocide. To self identify as that is to make yourself an enemy of humanity. I don't remember reading anything about genocide in Karl Marx or Adam Smith.

@Uncle Albert is about freedom of speech, but what he doesn't realize or else ignores is that there are certain categories of speech which are not protected or tolerated in our society.

This just happened to pop up in my Facebook memories today:

I'm not sure I'd vote "not guilty" as one obviously is. But, I'd certainly understand his stance. I suppose the guilty/not guilty vote would depend on the charge and punishment - which is how most juries, I'm finding, are casting their votes. If the penalty is a slap on the wrist, yes. Time in jail, no.

I break the law all the time because I disagree with that particular law. But, I also pay the consequences. Every time.

oddly enough, he's all over youtube...
didn't I already describe the scenario where he and half a dozen of his yellow vest, alt right buddies swarmed someoen in a mall? no matter, there's video of that too

also, what kind of idiot post pictures of themselves at an ideological brawl? If there's one thing to separate antifa from trumpies...

Also, UA has advocated violence up to and including vehicular manslaughter a la charlottesville in the past, so he gets no moral high ground.

several...

we had a sharks and jets thing going with the skinheads back in the 80s and 90s.

most of the fun in going to demos now is identifying these guys and exposing them for pasts that may not jibe with their current cliques...

In those scenarios in which someone is actually inciting violence, is not the same thing and action is ... for lack of a better word this early in the morning, acceptable. This is a totally different scenario than just walking up to someone who may or may not be saying something stupid and punching them.

Yes, UA also sometimes talks out of his ass and I ignore those posts as well.

in other words, actual scenarios where antifa activists like me respond to violence rather than the imaginary ones you've thus far described where we/I initiate it against those poor racists who are just saying mean things.

Yes, responding to violence with violence is one scenario and initiating violence against verbal nonsense is two different things.

I feel like we should pivot this thread to Nazi (including Nazi-adjacent) fuckers getting punched and absolutely deserving it.

You are just full of shit. If you are in the US, Canada, or Europe finding a Nazi around you is pretty damned easy. If you cannot find them, then you are not looking because they are out there and close enough to you to be a threat as you claim. However, you are not out looking for them, or out punching them or attacking them.

You make the claim to others in order to try and incite them to violence because according to you Nazis are an immediate threat to everyone. You are not out there breaking the law and risking retaliation of self defense from the Nazis. You are full of shit like @Uncle Albert when he tries to be a tough guy. You claim that it is important, but you never step up and DYOFDW.

It is not about the picture itself, but rather that we know even though you say it should be done, you never fucking do it. I really do not blame you for not doing it as it would be a wasted effort because you would end up in jail and it would change nothing except from removing you from the legal fight the Nazis are presently engaged in. Don't tell me I should be self destructively violent towards Nazis when you cannot get your ass to one of their events and do it yourself. You are on an imaginary high horse claiming others are weak because you would punch Nazis and there are Nazis all around you (Unless I am mistaken about your physical location).

And punching them is playing into their hands, there are smarter ways to shut them down.

I mean, there's milkshakes, but then they lie and say it's acid.

You would think the gravy seals would be thankful for a milkshake.

I’m fifth out of 7 kids. My youngest sister is 5 years older than I am. Stuck in the middle of 4 boys as well as being the run of the litter is not an enviable place to be. I was unable to physically fight back. I said a lot of shit. And more often than not, I was in trouble for saying shit not them for actually hitting me. Not excusing my parents lack of parenting, just saying words more often than not is just as damaging.

but, hey. they're only preventing people from getting medical treatment... it's not like they were causing anyone any direct harm.

So you're saying my dream of my posts being so powerful, they come out of UA's screen as a giant fist, and shatter him like pottery, and he screams for you to get the Gorilla Glue could happen?
Or...are you saying it HAS happened??
Oh! That would be so wonderful!!!

I mean, not for you, you have to listen to him whine as you glue him together, but...

I won't shed any tears over any Nazis that get punched.

Don’t think anyone here would. That’s not the issue.

but he was just minding his own business... :'(