Netanyahu: Hitler didn't want to kill any Jews, the Holocaust was all the Palestinians fault.

Have you ever even met a Jew?

This post would indicate no.

Of course. In college. Met people of many religions and ethnicities there.

Well, given your profound self involvement coupled with your autism it's not surprising you were unable to get to know them well enough to know that equating Jews with Israelis is just a stupid thing to do.

There is one other factor that may explain the rampant anti-Israel sentiment among the radical left.

1. The United States supports Israel.

2. The United States is always wrong.

3. Therefore Israel is bad.

Not that this is that much more defensible logically, but it is a motivation that doesn't spring from anti-semitism.

Ok, good point.

The other motivation is that Israel actually does commit morally obscene actions, repeatedly.

To take part in a smear campaign against all of the people and organisations who highlight it is to be complicit.

Several times we've responded by pounding the fuck out of some North Korean villages but of course their government won't give casualty figures.

Also, even the New York Times noted that the reported Palestinian casualties in Gaza were, for some unknown reason, where horribly skewed towards males aged 20 to 29. I wonder why that is?

Yeah, it's those evil, dastardly, amoral, Israeli Jews. Natalie Portman, Bar Rafaeli, and Gal Gadot should be put up against a wall and shot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_border_incidents_involving_North_Korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Demilitarized_Zone

Two lists of incidents on the Korean border. Unsurprisingly, neither of them backs up your claim. Apart from a couple of major flare ups most incidents seem to be some soldiers infiltrate/stray over the border, some shots and/or shells are fired, a few soldiers are killed or wounded; many end with no casualties on either side.

Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle. Nothing to say about the massive disparity in civilian deaths? Even the Israeli Foreign Ministry acknowledges over 2,100 Palestinian deaths in Protective Edge; the difference between their figures and those of the Gazan Health Ministry is 78.

They all back up my claim. 5 South Korean civilians killed (three were on a fishing boat, two were in a village) since the mid-1980's. To pick up more than two additional South Korean civilian deaths you have to go back to 1968. That's about one civilian death every six or seven years, or seven since 1968.

In contrast, Israel has suffered seven civilian deaths in Palestinian attacks in the last three weeks.

If the Israelis would kill them all then the rocket attacks would finally stop. Heck, just killing half of them might stop it.

Are you having a competition with Dinner to see who can be the most intellectually dishonest?

Why is mass murder a good solution to attacks that kill a handful of people? I mean more mass murder than Israel already commits.

Sorry, but Israel doesn't commit mass murder or they wouldn't still be having a problem with Palestinians, who they could've easily wiped off the map anytime in the last forty years. Most people process likely outcomes and refrain from provoking much more powerful neighbors by constantly trying to kill their citizens by any means at their disposal. That's why Switzerland never shoots at Germans, and why Belgium never tries to blowup French or German tourists. It's why Monaco doesn't behead Italian gamblers on video.

But the Palestinians keep getting away with it because they know that the left utterly despises Jews, and that Jews are so nice that they wouldn't actually do what's required to achieve permanent peace with a bunch of psychotic killers.

The Israelis have been blockading Gaza since 2006 as collective punishment and kill hundreds of times more Palestinian civilians than the reverse; yet according to the E-IDF it's the Palestinians who are aggressors and 'psychotic killers'. It's an Orwellian abuse of language that shows both the weakness and the dishonesty of the their position.

Because the Germans haven't had Switzerland under siege for nearly a decade. You really are terrible at analogies and ought to stop making them.

I keep hearing about how hundreds of times more Palestinians are killed than Israelis.

What difference does it make?

If you are attacked, what rule is there that your response has to be only within certain limits or levels?

It's called morality; you may have heard of it.

And, as I have pointed out, the Israelis are the aggressors.

So if Germany guarded their own border Switzerland would be under siege?

Try some reality from al Quds TV.


Umm Muhammad Shamasne, whose son Muhammad was killed while perpetrating a terror attack on a bus in Jerusalem on October 12, was recently interviewed in her home by the Lebanese Al-Quds TV channel. Offering the interviewer candy to celebrate her son's martyrdom, Umm Muhammad Shamasne said that she hoped her other sons would follow in his footsteps, and pulled out a knife, threatening: "My deeds will speak louder than words." The interview aired on October 22, 2015.

Her son tried to wipe out a bus full of people. It was the first of four Palestinian terrorist attacks that day. Since October 1st, Palestinian terrorists have committed 58 stabbing attacks, 5 shooting attacks, and 7 car ramming attacks against 174 victims, with 11 fatalities. That's more mayhem than North Korea causes in a decade. Of all the world's people, only the Jews are supposed to tolerate it, though ordinary Swedes and Germans probably won't be far behind.

If the Palestinians would simply leave Israel alone, I'm more than certain that Israel would do the same.

In a decade or two, they might even consider allowing them to form a country.

They'd continue stealing Palestinian land, and you wouldn't give a flying fuck.

It is not Palestinian land.

Most of the Palestinians were not even alive when the Six Day War happened.

I can't believe that you are trying to equate the blockade of Gaza with normal border controls. Is there no end to your dishonesty?

And the knife attacks are certainly violent and horrible, but there are not organised by the Palestinian authorities; they are comparable to the murder of a Palestinian youth by Israeli settlers. The blockade of Gaza and bombing attacks on Palestinians, other the hand, are committed by the Israeli state.

It's the Israelis who won't leave the Palestinians alone. They are blockading Gaza and stealing and colonising ever more of the West Bank. This is the context that the E-IDF don't want to talk about.

What the fuck has that to do with anything? Ignoring all of the rest of the territory, is your contention that Israel is entitled to continue encroaching on the West Bank, pushing the Palestinians living there into ever-smaller cantons, and that this constitutes "leaving them alone"?

The Gaza blockade (which requires the full participation of more than the Israelis) is in place because it was willingly taken over by a terrorist organization. The only trade they want is in rockets, mortars, and AK-47's.

It was started as a collective punishment following the kidnapping of an Israeli soldier. It was intensified after Hamas won the elections in Gaza and has remained in place, waxing and waning, ever since. I have already explained that in this thread; it really wouldn't kill you to educate yourself a little about the topic.

Collective punishment is a war crime. The E-IDF makes people into apologists for war crimes.

As far as I'm concerned let Israel have all of the West Bank. Give the Palestinians a slice of Jordan if they want their own country. Given the Palestinians tried to take over Jordan in 1970 (Black September Uprising) they obviously wouldn't mind part of that territory.

Let the Palestinians in Gaza have a strip of land in the Sinai and have it form a buffer state between Egypt and Israel.

Israel gets the West Bank (or most of it), thickening up their most vulnerable area. Palestinians get not one but TWO independent nations. Jordan and Egypt get buffer states against any possible Israeli aggression in the future (and vice versa).

Win, win, win, win for everyone.

Since when?

Then you lied earlier when you said that "If the Palestinians would simply leave Israel alone, I'm more than certain that Israel would do the same."
Thanks for clearing that up.

Since the fourth Geneva Convention.

Care to post a link?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention#Collective_punishments

Article 33. No persons may be punished for an offense he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.