Netanyahu: Hitler didn't want to kill any Jews, the Holocaust was all the Palestinians fault.

The members of Amnesty International do not have a personal stake in falsifying evidence of Israeli war crimes. Quite the contrary.

And the ratio of US to Axis civilian deaths in WW-II was about 3000:1, so clearly the US was the aggressor against the innocent Nazis and Japanese.

More bullshit. The proper comparison with all of the Axis countries is all of the Allied countries, not just one of them (the one that was geographically isolated from the fighting). Make that honest comparison and you find that the Soviet Union for instance lost 17 million civilians, more than all of the Axis combined - reflecting the fact that much of the war was fought on their territory following Axis aggression.

At length?

Unfair trials
Political and judicial authorities failed to ensure that detainees received prompt and fair trials. Authorities in the West Bank held detainees for indefinite periods without charge or trial. In Gaza, the Hamas authorities continued to subject civilians to unfair trials before military courts.​

And that's it for their in-depth coverage of unfair trials. On to other issues:

Impunity
Palestinian authorities failed to take any steps to investigate alleged war crimes and possible crimes against humanity committed by Hamas’ military wing and other Palestinian armed groups in the run-up to and during the conflict in July and August or during previous conflicts with Israel in which Palestinian armed groups fired indiscriminate rockets and mortars into Israel. They also failed to hold to account officials who committed human rights violations, including excessive use of force against peaceful protesters and the torture of detainees. ​

Well, alrighty then. You can bet an actual "human rights" organization would investigate alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity, but no. They just noted that Palestinian authorities didn't bother investigating those, and that's okay. They'll just make a little note of it and move on.

In contrast, if the evil Jews did anything even remotely like that, Amnesty International would be up in front of the UN denouncing them and demanding massive sanctions and war crimes trials. Oh wait, they do that!

Yes, at length. But it's a summary report covering 160 countries. There are 3-4 pages on each. Are you going to admit that your bullshit about "none" of that making it into "any" report is just that? Or are you going to brazen it out once again?

That's a hilariously and typically dishonest comparison. I think you'll find the Nazis killed lots of civilians; I'm sure your cousin could tell you all about it.

Ah, so it's wrong not to count all the hundreds of thousands of civilians that Muslims around Israel have killed in the last year or two.

Please explain how that follows. Without resorting to lies this time.

The Axis was killing millions of civilians who weren't Americans, so it's wrong to compare civilian casualties.

The Muslims are killing hundreds of thousands of civilians who aren't Israeli, so it's wrong to compare civilian casualties.

You're just pissed off because more Jews aren't dead.

As was famously said, "The Europeans will never forgive the Jews for Auschwitz."

World War II: Axis v Allies. Not Axis v Americans
Israel-Palestine conflict: Israel v Palestine. Not Israel v Muslims.

In both cases you're trying to lie about who the parties to conflict are to manipulate the figures.

Sort yourself out. Anyone else would be embarrassed by this level of dissembling.

Oh, so the Israeli/Palestinian conflict doesn't have anything to do with Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, or Libya. How interesting. What happens in the Sudetenland stays in the Sudetenland.

That's not what I said. Stop. Lying.

Are you capable of posting anything else but lies? Is it compulsive? That's connected with all sorts of mental disorders, including psychopathy. Have you been tested?

Advocacy groups can claim what ever they want but most of them have long histories of lying and exaggerating about the west and hardly giving any attention to the real human rights abusers. I would even go so far as to say most Americans think such groups have no creditability.

Argumentum ad populum.

According to the "logic" you have employed in this thread, all of the evidence presented by all human rights groups is "demonstrably false", and they're overt and conscious anti-Semites. You're like a parody.

So @Dinner and @gturner any actual response to clear evidence of the Israelis targeting civilians or it is just going to be deflection, whataboutery and bullshit all the way?

Technically are not all Palestinians civilians? Because I did not think they had an actual military force.

Well, let's see. You said: "Israel-Palestine conflict: Israel v Palestine. Not Israel v Muslims."

Isn't that like saying WW-II was Germany versus Poland or something?

Let's review:

Jewish Israelis suffer century after century of atrocities at the hands of Muslims, and not infrequently from Christians. They were conquered, made dhimmis, and the Muslim invaders built a mosque on the Jew's holiest site, the Temple Mount. Aside from a brief period during the Crusades, they lived under Muslim rule until the British carved up the Ottoman Empire in the aftermath of WW-I. So Jewish settlers started moving back to the place that all the Jews came from, purchasing land, and this made Palestinian tenant farmers pretty upset. So the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, and ardent Muslim supremacist, fired up the Muslims by claiming the Jews were going to tear down the Al Aqsa mosque. So the Palestinians started slaughtered Jews all over the place.

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem started writing to the Nazis telling them to crack down on the Jews in Europe, who were vermin. During the early part of the war he encouraged Hitler and Himmler to kill all the Jews instead of deporting them. Whether he had much influence is immaterial, because he did directly get many thousands of Jews killed by intervening vociferously to stop several swaps of thousands of Jewish children for Axis POWs. Thankfully Germany lost the war before the Mufti could continue the genocide in Israel and throughout the Middle East. Palestinians still hail him as a hero. Arafat used him as a role model.

Eventually, Israel was recognized as a state by the UN, so of course four Muslim countries invaded. They lost because they sucked. Not content with peace, Muslims from the neighboring countries kept slipping in to kill random Jews. Stunning military defeats eventually got them to stop, but many of the Palestinians have never quit. They will kill Jewish civilians any way they can with any weapon that works, anytime they get the opportunity, while the entire Muslim world spent fifty years denouncing Jews and threatening to push Israeli into the sea, after 1300 years of merely denouncing and oppressing Jews - and Hindus, and Buddhists, and Christians.

No, let's not. We aren't talking about the long history of the Jewish people, previous conflicts involving other countries, or your paranoid fantasies. You're trying to change the subject again to avoid taking responsibility for your lie.

Neighbouring states are obviously peripherally involved in the Israeli-Palestine conflict, but your attempt to lump in casualties of the fucking Syrian Civil War (which is the only thing you can mean when you talk about Muslims killing hundreds of thousands) as being part of the civilian death toll of the conflict involving Israel and therefore a counterpoint to Israeli victims in Gaza is just another massive lie that you think is going to fool somebody, somewhere. Fuck knows who at this stage.

Stop. Lying.

Even the IDF defines a large number of its victims as civilians, as opposed to combatants. So, no.

Honestly Inutil you completely misread Dayton's post.

Really, in what way? I don't think I did.

You're the one who doesn't want to review, as if the Palestinian situation evolved in complete isolation from the rest of the planet, an alternate dimension where the Jews are actually Nazis and the crazed jihadists are Amish and Mennonite.

Note that many Arab Muslims are Israeli. Thousands of them serve in the IDF, and many call it a family tradition. How many Jews serve with Hamas, Fatah, or Hezbollah?

The Syrian war is on Israel's border. A few meters back from that border is an Israeli aid station that's treating thousands and thousands of Syrians who cross the border for combat wounds. Israel treats them all, no matter which side they are on or who they are with. An Israeli going to other way would probably get butchered on camera.

Nope, didn't say that. I just said that the Syrian Civil War is a distinct conflict from the Israeli-Palestine one. You claim otherwise, which is batshit. There's no basis for "review" of that. It's just batshit.

If Israel gave the Palestinians a fully independent state on the West Bank, ISIS would take it over and run it within three months. Of course ISIS has already slaughtered hundreds of Palestinians, but nobody cares about that because ISIS isn't Jewish.

and when Israel is forced to destroy that state within six months, they'll get blamed again.

Not the people oozing with Palestinian compassion like Rick or Inotil.

Come on @Dinner, instead of shitting up another thread, why don't you try defend your nonsense here.