Netanyahu: Hitler didn't want to kill any Jews, the Holocaust was all the Palestinians fault.

To resolve the Gaza conflict, Israel should stop murdering Palestinians in disproportionate military actions and it should end its collective punihsment of Gaza's citizens by lifting the blockade of Gaza (as should Egypt).

Israel can't lift the blockade of Gaza because Hamas will import more Syrian and Iranian missiles to fire at Israel. It's what they do. It's who they are. That's why they put the blockade in in the first place.

No. For the third time now, they started the blockade as a collective punishment because of the kidnapping of an Israeli solider.

And yet Hamas still managed to smuggle in lots of Syrian missiles with a 75 mile range.

And why did they kidnap an Israeli soldier? Why did they keep digging tunnels into Israel?

What do you do when your neighbors want to kill your family, just let them?

Jews have lived throughout Europe for over a thousand years and never blockaded anyone, never made war on anyone, and certainly didn't exterminate people. They live today throughout Europe, the US, Canada, and Australia and are nice as can be, kind of like Amish with a better sense of humor.

In contrast, Muslim fanatics are a problem in India, a severe problem in Pakistan, a huge, huge problem in Afghanistan, where there are no Jews. Muslim terrorists are a problem in Chechnya, and a world shaking problem in Syria and Iraq, where there are no Jews. They are a huge problem in Egypt, Libya, and Tunisia, where there are no Jews. Muslims terrorists are a problem in Algeria, Mali, Mauritania, Thailand, Somalia, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, and Indonesia, where there are no Jews. Muslim terrorists are a problem in Bangladesh, Morocco, Turkey, Niger, and Jordan, where there are no Jews. Muslim terrorists are a problem in Spain, France, England, and Denmark, where there are Jews, and where Jews have never conducted any terrorist attacks on anyone.

So note, if you will, that Jews get along with everyone except Muslim terrorists, and Muslim terrorists don't get along with anyone, even other Muslim terrorists. So when the two are having problems, what is more likely, that the Jews who get along with everyone and who lived side-by-side with Muslims for over a thousand years are actually homicidal maniacs, or the people who act like homicidal maniacs in every other region and country on Earth are acting like homicidal maniacs towards the Jews, too?

Anyone who could look at a map of who is attacking whom, and where, and turns away muttering about the evil Jews, well, they'd have made a great employee at Auschwitz or Treblinka because their emotions and reasoning are a perfect fit with camp commanders, except some of the camp commanders didn't actually hate Jews all that much.

It is truly remarkable how people find the means to resist their oppressors, even in the most dire circumstances. The Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto managed to stage an uprising that went on for a month against the Germans, despite being in the middle of Nazi occupied Europe.

As for the rest of your rather bizarre post, it has nothing at all to do with the matter at hand, and appears to be yet another attempt to avoid the issue.

Since when has the United States had "official definitions" of philosophical concepts? Damn it, you are fucking stupid. I used to think you were suffering from PTSD, but this thread has convinced me that you are just a hateful, racist piece of shit, and it has nothing to do with how many times you may have pissed your pants in Iraq.

The people in Gaza wouldn't be under a blockade if they'd quit trying to kill random Jews. But when they're not killing Jews they're killing Palestinians suspected of being Israeli informants. They executed 18 Palestinians, including two women, in just one day during the last dust up, saying they were "choking the necks of the collaborators."

Does Israel summarily execute any Jew suspected of collaborating with Palestinians? No. They don't.

The Nazis certainly used a lot of summary executions to keep people in line.

Hrm....

I have explained the reasons for the blockade to you several times. You're just being wilfully ignorant.

And once again you're playing the shifting responsibility game; it's funny how much E-IDF nonsense rests on that. Let's be clear about who is responsible for what.

Israeli is responsible for the blockade. There wouldn't be a blockade if Israel lifted it. The Israelis prefer to continue the collective punishment of the citizens of Gaza.

Hamas and other groups are responsible for the rockets. If they didn't launch rockets, no rockets would be launched.

Israel is responsible for bombing Gaza. If it didn't drop bombs, no bombs would be dropped.

It's really very straightforward.

And if Israel lifts the blockade, Hamas stocks up on weapons, kills any Palestinians who object, and starts launching rockets into Israel. Then Israel has to bomb the shit of the launch sites, which never completely stops the launches, so Israel has to go in with another ground incursion. Hamas screams, the launches stop, and Israel withdraws. Then Hamas imports more rockets, kills any Palestinians who object, and starts launching rockets into Israel. So Israel bombs the shit out of Gaza and goes in with a ground incursion to wipe out the launch sites, Hamas screams, and Israel withdraws. So Hamas imports more rockets...

Note that Israel doesn't give a shit about Gaza except that the idiots keep launching rockets at them. They don't care about Yemen, or Oman, or Dubai, or Afghanistan, or a hundred other places in the Arab world that aren't actively trying to kill them. They're focused like that.

Hamas, on the other hand, has OCD about Jews, and won't stop until the last Jew on Earth is dead. They raised generations of children on blind hatred, to the extent that those kids will happily blow themselves up just in hopes of killing a random Jew. They couldn't have been allowed to work in Nazi munition factories alongside Jewish slaves because they'd try to kill the entire workforce. The Nazis would have to shoot them as saboteurs eaten up with too much anti-Semitic propaganda.

And of course the Gazans won't leave because any amount of suffering is justified if it offers even a tiny chance of killing a Jew, and that's better than living somewhere else, even in luxury, that offers no chance of killing a Jew.

Gul has gone full Fleshlight.

Gturner: I reject your absurd flight of fancy and remind you once again that from any moral point of view worth having, actually killing people is far worse than any desire to kill people.

No he hasn't. Let's remind ourselves of how much of a racist shitstain you are.

No, it's not. The British slaughtered hundreds of thousands of German civilians in aerial bombing runs and didn't want to kill a single one of them. In contrast, the Nazis were determined to wipe most peoples off the map and only accomplished some of it.

Your morality is Nazi morality. The only good Jew is a dead Jew.

Lie #53,465

Okay, they wanted to kill maybe three of them. The Luftwaffe pilots likewise didn't want to kill Londoners. It was a job that had to be done to win the war. But in that war there were a whole lot of Germans who were convinced that millions had to be purged. Marx, Engels, and Hitler were all in agreement on that point. Thus the war.

Oh, it is not from a lack of trying.

I must say that I do enjoy the absurd positions that your views force you to take.

IIRC there was a top British officer who was very open about hating the Germans and wanting to kill as many as possible regardless of hitting military targets. Can't remember his name but IIRC he was instrumental in advocating night bombings of German targets even though accuracy was low and hits on German civilian targets were very common. Of course this served to minimize losses among British bomber crews.

Bomber Harris?

Contrary to @gturner's lies.

And yet the bomber crews weren't psychotic killers. They were putting their lives at extreme risk to try and end the war through air power, flying through flak and German fighters to strike their targets and then turning around and trying to make it home. The Palestinians have to real goal with their air attacks other than killing some civilians in a futile gesture, much like launching V-2's from Holland long after it became apparent that Germany's defeat was inevitable. No amount of Palestinian rockets are going to defeat Israel, but they launch them anyway.

Note that Israel could easily bomb and shell Gaza all day, every day, any day, and yet they don't. Note that Jews in the US, UK, France, Germany and everywhere else in Europe don't run around killing random people to strike terror into the hearts of everyone. But another group of people certainly does, and they also target Israelis. Just pick a method. 168 suicide attacks alone. Or pick an area. Palestinian attacks are so common that Wiki even has a category page for Palestinian terrorist attacks in Europe.

Agreed, so why do you need to lie about them?

And what lie was that? That they didn't really want to kill Germans?

They were at war and did their jobs, and when the war was over they didn't continue killing Germans. Likewise, the Germans quit trying to kill Brits. Seventy five years later the British and Germans aren't still trying to kill each other. Germany gave up more territory to Poland than exists in all of Israel, but the Germans aren't trying to kill random Poles where ever they can find them.

Everybody fought for five or six years, and then they stopped. They didn't spend the next fifty years devoting their lives to terrorist attacks and vengeance. They didn't turn their culture into a cesspit of racism, hate, and murder. The Palestinians, however, did. Their morning cartoons are about killing Jews. When you ask a Palestinian child what he wants to be when he grows up, he says "a terrorist who kills Jews!" or "a martyr!"

And it's not just because they lost land to Israel, because as Netanyahu pointed out, Palestinians were pushing the Nazis to make sure no Jews survived the death camps, and hoped to expand the Nazi program and kill all the Jews anywhere in the Middle East. To the Palestinians, the number of Jews who should remain alive is zero. The Jews, on the other hand, would be perfectly happy if all the Palestinians just gave up their devotion to genocide. And of course it's not all the Palestinians, it's the Muslim Palestinians who cause the problems. I work with some Palestinian Christians and although they don't like Israeli property law (which is a legacy of Israel's socialist past), they utterly despise Muslims.

I pointed out the lie to you just a few posts ago. This is a technique you repeat quite often - you get called on some large untruth and then you waffle on about something else entirely as if you're refuting it, and pretend that you've said something else.

Your specific claim was that "the British" didn't want to kill German civilians. They did. It was an explicit part of their aim to demoralise the population and sap their will to resist.

That the pilots might have been reluctant, or that they stopped when the war was over hasn't anything to do with it. Stop. Lying.

You don't seem to understand. The British didn't want to kill Germans. There were a lot of Germans in Britain, who the British didn't drag out of their houses and hang from lampposts. They didn't even assassinate the British royal family, which was German. The US was chock full of Germans, my mother's family among them. They weren't dragged out into the street and shot.

Note that their only purpose in killing any Germans, who were in Germany, was to sap their will and end the war. They didn't have some plan where they would crush the German Army and then set about exterminating the German people.

But the Palestinian plan is to do just that. Defeating the Israeli military is just step 1. Step 2 is to exterminate all the Jews who are left. Even if it takes them a hundred years, they want all the Jews dead. The Nazis had the same goal.

That is quite a dishonest assessment. While technically the British royal family was ORIGINALLY German (Coburg-Saxe-Gotha) IIRC, they had Anglized (don't remember the exact term) their surnames to Windsor nearly 30 years before during World War Two.

People of German descent in the U.S. had lived here for generations.

Besides which, not all Germans are created equal. When we think of "Germans" we aren't normally talking about the Swiss, Austrians, or even the Saxons and Bavarians.

The heart and soul of Germany and what people think of as "Germans" has tended to be the Prussians. That is the German people from around Berlin and its region.

They did. You even admitted it later in your post. Everything else is just babble, and I'm not playing.

But the British Royal Family and the Germans who lived here still had German blood. They were still Germans. Yet nobody hated them because they were Germans.

Here's the opening of a letter sent to FDR:

Dear Mr. President:

May I take the liberty of encroaching on your valuable time and that of your staff at the White House? Mindful of the critical days the nation is now passing through, I do so only because the prerogative of your high office alone can decide my difficult and singular situation.

Permit me to outline as briefly as possible the circumstances of my position, the solution of which I feel could so easily be achieved should you feel moved to give your kind intercession and decision.

I am the nephew and only descendant of the ill-famed Chancellor and Leader of Germany who today so despotically seeks to enslave the free and Christian peoples of the globe.

Under your masterful leadership men of all creeds and nationalities are waging desperate war to determine, in the last analysis, whether they shall finally serve and live an ethical society under God or become enslaved by a devilish and pagan regime.

Everybody in the world today must answer to himself which cause they will serve. To free people of deep religious feeling there can be but one answer and one choice, that will sustain them always and to the bitter end.

I am one of many, but I can render service to this great cause and I have a life to give that it may, with the help of all, triumph in the end.

All my relatives and friends soon will be marching for freedom and decency under the Stars and Stripes. For this reason, Mr. President, I am respectfully submitting this petition to you to enquire as to whether I may be allowed to join them in their struggle against tyranny and oppression?​

It was from Patrick Hitler, Adolf's nephew, and he was allowed to serve. Note that he wanted to stop Hitler's monstrous military machine and world conquest in the service of evil, as opposed to wanting to kill lots of Germans. Germans would have to be killed to achieve the goal, but their deaths weren't the goal itself. Thus we had no problem having Hitler's own nephew fighting on our side in an American officer's uniform. Also note that there were not decades of a vast undercurrent in European and American thought that said the world would be a better place if all the Germans were dead.

In contrast, Hamas goal isn't to defeat the IDF and then live in peace, it's to slaughter all the Jews.

More babble about irrelevancies. That they didn't want to exterminate all Germans everywhere until the end of time does not negate the simple fact that a major aim of terror bombing was to kill German civilians. You said that they didn't want to kill German civilians. This doesn't get any simpler. Stop. Lying.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34786607

They didn't. They wanted to destroy German industry and convince the public to abandon the Nazi party's leadership. Unfortunately it backfired and the bombings just made people more dependent on the Nazi party, which after all was founded on faith, hope, and charity, so the Nazis ate that up. Making the civilians homeless and jobless so their war industries collapsed was the real goal. That's why the US went with precision daylight bombing despite the much higher casualties among bomber crews.

And of course even before the war was over, we wouldn't kill the Germans we passed as we took city after city. We'd tell them to get organized and elect a mayor. And once the German army had surrendered we came up with a plan to give the Germans lots and lots of money so they could rebuild faster, and we went about re-equipping their military. We hired every rocket scientist we could, even many who were SS officers. Why would we do that if we had a passionate hatred of Germans?

And of course being the loser, Germany got sliced up and shrank by at least 25 percent. Poland gained over 100,000 square kilometers to its west, which is five times larger than the entire state of Israel. Germans were forcibly expelled and all their land and property was seized. Yet where are all the stories about the last 70 years of German terrorist attacks against random Poles? Where are the stories about German rocket attacks on Poland? Lost of European countries had their borders shifted after WW-II. Where is the outrage and demands for justice? Why are the Palestinians the only people who are allowed to keep firing rockets 60 years after they lost a war? Oh, it's because they are attacking greedy evil Jews.