Netanyahu: Hitler didn't want to kill any Jews, the Holocaust was all the Palestinians fault.

On the one hand, this is correct. On the other hand, the juxtaposition between these two posts --

-- just might make my irony meter explode.

I am fine with bigotry as long as it is justified by factual reality. I am not fine with people who claim not to be bigots, call other people names, but then turn out to have a 2x4 in their eye.

Which is why you can't find a single thing to back up your claims, liar.

And North Korea has democratic in its name; it doesn't mean much. Let's take a more objective view and look at the 2014 democracy index.



You can see what the colours mean here.

So we can see that, with one exception, all the countries you mentioned are either hybrid regimes or authoritarian ones.

Also, when it comes to Moldova (and Cyprus for that matter), there is a separatist movement backed by a non-democratic power; the democratic power is the 'victim' in such cases. Whereas in Palestine, it is the democratic power that is the aggressor, that has imposed an apartheid system on the Palestinians, that is systematically stealing their land and colonising it. That is what people object to and this labelling will allow European consumers to express their views through their free choices.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/1112/741299-israel-palestinian-west-bank/

Admirable conduct, we'll be told. The most moral in the world, we'll be told.

Oh I'm sure the E-IDF will be along shortly to defend it. I'm placing my bets on 'he was a human shield', 'he wanted to die to make Israel look bad' and that good old standby 'ROCKETS!'

Why did they kill the guy?

One of the soldiers really needed to take a shit and the guy was taking too long in there.

(It's in the post you just quoted).

He was allegedly involved in an attack.

Now you're about to tell us that this justifies the storming of a hospital to perform a summary execution, right?

Would you prefer they take out the hospital with an air strike?

I'd prefer if targetted assasinations did not happen at all and that due process was followed. A quaint idea these days, I know.

You seriously think due process is a reasonable expectation when it comes to a state of war and involved non citizens of your country.

To me targeted assassinations are the most decent and moral of military actions as they generally involve no deaths among innocent people.

I can remember targeted assassinations of PLO officials by Israel where they killed the target in his home and left his wife and daughters completely unharmed.

No - in fact, targeted assassinations are another thing that are forbidden by international law, but you don't care about that.

Which just shows how morally unjust international law is.

At any rate the taboo against assassinations goes back to the Middle Ages when it was feared that if the leader of an army was killed his army would become uncontrollable and wreck havoc.

It has no place among modern nations.

You will notice Cyprus, Turkey, Georgia, and the Ukraine are rated as democracies on your map so you still are treating Israel with unequal standards

Then why do US & Israeli leaders sign up to it?
And would you think it legitimate if Netenyahu was assassinated? Or Obama?

No, they were just terrorists who deserved to be captured.

Peer pressure.

Better Netanyahu and/or Obama be killed by terrorists than 100 Israeli civilians or 2,000 American civilians (differences are due to population adjustment).

Wouldn't it have been better had George W. Bush been assassinated than nearly 3,000 deaths?

I notice that you can't even read a colour coded map. Good grief.

I asked if you thought it legitimate as an act of war, not if you thought it would be better.
You "peer pressure" comment is absurd as we've come to expect from you of course.

Green are democracies (Cyprus is green) and light green are still democratic states just ones the organization which wrote your map believe should have some reforms. They are still democratic states though.

You, sir, are once again evading the question.

Edit: Shit, you, dumb fuck, your group also rate Israel as light green! So that dodge will not help you, son.

Serious question, are you colour blind? The yellow countries, like Turkey, the Ukraine and Georgia are 'hybrid regimes'.

And I specifically addressed Moldova and Cyprus, which are flawed democracies, in my post.

And yet the group you lauded rated Cyprus bright green. Sorry, but your claim does not square with your own color coded map, genius! It is rated even more democratic than Israel according to that group.

Yes. Legitimate.

And "peer pressure" was a touch of sarcasm. But it exists. Though among nations we call it "international pressure". No nation wants to be the last one not signing on to something that 100 other countries have signed.

You are extremely stupid. I have no idea what you think my claim is, but given your tenuous grasp on reality, I doubt it has anything to do with what I actually said.

So we are back to evading the question again? You said the rules only apply to democracies, I point out several occupied territories run by democracies (we can continue using Cyprus and Turkey as the main counter argument) and you have been completely unable to dismiss that evidence because your own map backs it up.

Just admit you were wrong already. It is perfectly obvious that you are wrong to every honest person who has bothered to read this exchange. Your pride is preventing you from doing what is right and admitting that the ARE examples of other occupied territories which have not been singled out they way Israel is being singled out by you and your fellow antisemites.

The whole reason we even had this whole song and dance was because you claimed the rules only applied to democracies, I found an example of an occupied territory by a democracy of another democracy, and now you are desperately waving your hands trying to change the subject and make it disappear.

Well, at least you're consistent for once.

They have refused to sign such treaties at many, many times in the past.

Let's run through what happened, Dinner:

1) You lied about the EU definition of anti-Semitism by omitting the word 'democracy'.
2) You claimed 'double standards'.
3) I pointed out your ignorance/dishonesty.
4) You said that a similar situation existed in several countries that you claimed are democracies.
5) I pointed out that almost all of them are not. I explained the difference between the situation in Israel/Palestine and the other situations.
6) You showed us you couldn't read a colour coded map. You still haven't even tried to address my points.

No doubt. But nations are seldom consistent. No more than individuals.

I addressed this point in the post with the map you couldn't read, fumduck. Here it is again:

Also, when it comes to Moldova (and Cyprus for that matter), there is a separatist movement backed by a non-democratic power; the democratic power is the 'victim' in such cases. Whereas in Palestine, it is the democratic power that is the aggressor, that has imposed an apartheid system on the Palestinians, that is systematically stealing their land and colonising it. That is what people object to and this labelling will allow European consumers to express their views through their free choices.

In your own time now....

Turkey is a democratic country. Try again sunshine.