Norway torturing prison inmates?

What? It most definitely is a cultural thing, but culture does not arise out of the ether. oldfella's statement that whatever system is applied to Norwegians, they will remain law-abiding, implying that culture is static and that they are just born differently to others, is just about as stupid as one has learned to expect from him.

Norway could disappear tomorrow and who'd notice besides maybe their neighbors and families. So who cares about such an unimportant country comprised of basically all the same dude and chick dying off by themselves having no real impact on the world? They don't let anyone in, and/or mostly nobody wants to go live there anyway.

Shit, it's practially Ireland, cept for the bombthrowers.

Does anyone reasonably think that just because about three quarters of U.S. states have the death penalty that this drives up the crime rate?

Not "just because". It's part of a wider philosophy which has an overall effect of driving the crime rate up.

The death penalty is a joke. People die of old age before they get executed most of the time.

And cultures aren't completely static, yet certain cultures lend themselves to obedience/compliance more than others. Hitlers/North Korean Kims can't get traction in cultures that have an insane distrust for traditions, protocol, procedures, etc. I don't care how fucked up and desparate America could get, a true dictator could never achieve power because we say "fuck you" to anyone and everyone whoo gets too big for their britches. You can't have obedience without order and discipline and "groupthink" so America is no fucking doubt in the clear when it comes to any one entity/culture taking over.

Sorry Rick, you may think you know America but you don't. Trust me, we are more different and complex than you can imagine.

Again, you're the only one obsessing with America. This thread is about Norway.

Your ideas about human nature being different in different parts of the world continue to be wrong.

You really think that "philosophy" drives crime rates?

Aren't you and couple more comparing Norway with countries that use the death penalty and other punitive means, mainly the U.S.A.

I'm curious as to what Rick thinks drove the murderous violence in Northern Ireland for decades.

No doubt it was "philosophy"

Are you imagining that by "philosophy" I mean some guy sitting in a room scratching his beard and writing an obscure text?

Philosophy dictates the approach taken towards crime and justice. If the approach is different, the result is different.

But there's oil there, so far more useful than Ireland.

So you are saying that the way we treat criminals dictates at least in part whether people commit crimes or not?

Yay! He's finally got it!

Iron ore, as well.

"Philosophy dictates the approach taken towards crime and justice. If the approach is different, the result is different." - Rick

Really? Do tell! And this works every time with every group of people? You should go on a world tour revamping everyone's criminal justice system. Please start with my town - we're knee deep in violent criminals just waiting for a good reason to change their ways. If they know everything in prison will be ice cream and puppy dogs 24/7 they'll do anything to avoid the place I'm sure.
Prisons will be ghost towns.

So because Norway has a more lenient approach to dealing with criminals, Norwegians commit less crimes?

Didn't the U.S. already go through this "there are no bad boys" phase of criminal justice back in the late 1960s and early 1970s when we abolished the death penalty and focused on rehab and teaching criminals a trade.

The results were not promising IIRC.

Norwegians commit less crime because the Norwegian culture itself might not be a culture that glamorizes crime or it has strong family values or whatever. Thus since crime isn't so prevalent, maybe Norway doesn't have to be tough on criminals because crime isn't epidemic there.
Do you that maybe countries are tough on crime because they get sick of all the crime and want to stop it through deterrence, even if that doesn't work according to Rick? Think crime might drive the train and the state reacts to the peoples demand for it to stop?

You'll want to read the thread properly, because I've been saying precisely that throughout.

The results in terms of recidivism were quite good, it's just that the 70s crime spike (which now appears to have been caused by lead paint) and the growing power of parasitic prison guard unions overwhelmed the funding.

One black member of the jury later described an atmosphere of racial intimidation. A white juror had said execution would leave "one less nigger to breed".

Ha ha! The joke's on whitey - the inmate already bred about a dozen times before he was even out of High School. What? Too Soon?
Anyway, it could be (not saying it's right by any means, just offering my opinion) that killing a white is thought of as worse because it's not as common. Blacks kill each other constantly
in my town. Maybe it's so accepted (obviously among themselves sadly) that nobody takes it as seriously. Only ten percent of the murders are white-on-white (or very rarely white-on-black)
and the rest are black-on-black or (much less common) black-on-white. This statistical fact might influence the punishments, even if it isn't right.
BTW with all the gun owners in Georgia why run up the electric bill using Old Sparky? Bullets are faster and cheaper when used by experts.

Those are great arguments for not forcing pubic employees to oversee executions but to raffle off the opportunities to members of the general public.

Yyyyyeah... people who would line up for a raffle for the chance to execute someone probably shouldn't be allowed near ANY kind of power.

Because their money is as good as any ones.

It's easy if you wear your Endangered White Male goggles and understand that everything that's wrong with America is because of Those People.

For someone who sees so much in racial terms Garamet you seen incapable of seeing racial differences.

What would those differences be?

Sorry, I'm blinded by your commeremia. What exactly are you trying to say?

"It's easy if you wear your Endangered White Male goggles and understand that everything that's wrong with America is because of Those People." - Garmet
You mean Liberals?

So let me get this straight - if you acknowledge statistics that pretty much agree across the board from various sources you are a racist? Well, assuming the statistics don't strengthen your agenda, of course.
Nobody said everything wrong with America is because of any one group. I am saying that the more blacks in almost any given area the more the crime rate will go up. Does every black person commit crimes? Not at all.
Do white people commit crimes? Indeed they do. Are types of crime worse than others? Most (but not all) people would agree that violent crimes such as murder, assault with a deadly weapon, rape, carjacking, etc. etc. are in the "worse" category and because these crimes are easier to spot being committed (versus Casper McWhitebread embezzling his companies money over ten years) the violent crime rate average will go up, and the highest rate (not total, but rate) will belong to blacks IN MOST CASES. Is it a witch hunt against blacks if 10-15 percent of my county is black but 30 percent of the faces in The Jail Report are black? Getting pissed off at a family picnic and shooting your cousin
doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room. Should the cops let that slide once the monthly black crime quota is met?
Just askin'