Quickie values poll.

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Diacanu, Sep 16, 2023.

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I believe it's a moral necessity to...

  1. Destroy property to save people.

    3 vote(s)
    21.4%
  2. Kill people to protect property.

    1 vote(s)
    7.1%
  3. Some middle thing (explain).

    3 vote(s)
    21.4%
  4. Teh Baba.

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    50.0%
  1. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    You're already up on your cross.
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  2. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    If I'm taking the bulk of this hypothetical risk, there should be proportionately less of an objection to it.

    This is where we hold me responsible for other people's actions, of course.
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  3. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    Allowing yourself or your loved ones to die or receive grievous injury is not a viable alternative. Surrendering and gambling on the mercy of your attacker is NOT a viable alternative.

    I would add "being robbed blind" to that list.
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  4. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    More that we're deciphering your bullshit bingo.
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  5. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    So, how many fellow Nebraskans have you piled up like chord wood in your 47 years?
    :corn:
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  6. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    Sure, sure.
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  7. Uncle Albert

    Uncle Albert Part beard. Part machine.

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    Zero.

    How many house fires have I had? Zero.

    How many flat tires, dead batteries, etc? A fair number.

    You don't wait until shit happens to make some basic preparations.
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  8. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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  9. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    But nothing.
    The end.
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  10. Kommander

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    Generally, human lives are more important than property. "That stuff is mine and I want it to continue being mine" isn't enough justification to unalive someone.

    However, sometimes property isn't just property.

    If I'm out walking in the woods, and someone runs up, grabs my walking stick, and runs away, it's not a huge deal. Plenty of other sticks around. If I spend a minute or two looking for another stick, it's guaranteed I'll find one that's at least just as good, if not better. Or I could just continue walking without a stick. It's an annoyance, but not worth killing over.

    If I'm an old man or disabled, and someone runs up and steals my cane, they're doing the same thing as in the above example; stealing a stick. However, to me, it's not just a stick. They also took my ability to walk. I can't continue walking without it, and I can't just find another stick.
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  11. Uncle Albert

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    Damn right you've got nothing.

    You can prepare or you can face the consequences for it. Won't always be able to fall back on mommy and daddy.
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  12. Uncle Albert

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    My walking stick is an oak rod I sanded and sealed myself. From my cold dead hands, motherfuckers.
    :bergman:
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  13. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Is there any level of "preparation" that's too paranoid for you?
    Or would you have a bomb shelter if you could afford it?
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  14. Diacanu

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    So, what kind of gun should the old man be packing?
    I'd suspect the kick of a full on Magnum would knock him on his ass.
    Glock? Snub nose? Derringer?
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    I think the bomb shelter is where him and @Jenee get it on in the closet with a bottle of water and some MREs.
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    Yes.

    Also yes. I would LIVE in a bomb shelter if I could. More efficient for maintaining stable temperatures.
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  17. matthunter

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    This is precisely why there's an unsolved string of murders behind Mystery Inc for all those crooks who stole Velma's glasses.
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  18. Lanzman

    Lanzman Vast, Cool and Unsympathetic Formerly Important

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    Mine is a hardwood staff I got at the renaissance fair. Functional as a quarter staff, should the need arise.
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  19. matthunter

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    You're a federal employee, so quarter staff is still considered extravagant by the GOP.
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  20. Order2Chaos

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    Calling my scenario a “bad analogy” while saying that property is not worth killing for implies that there are some things worth killing for. Sounds like rights and limbs are some of them, for Diacanu.

    Completely agree, but not every incursion into their territory was with the intent of killing them. Some were just about relocating them. Were those fair game? I think so.

    other forms that anyone with a bulldozer is likely to respect and to be held accountable by if they fuck up. That’s far from a given in other situations.

    :techman:
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    I’m not speaking for UA. I’m asking you where you draw the line for things you’re willing to condemn people for being willing to kill over. So answer the question please.
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  22. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    I disagree, and I understand I'm in the minority on that.
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  23. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    Try as you might, no one really wants to kill you.
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    That was not the question. Of course someone would choose an alternative if and when they exist.
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  25. Uncle Albert

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    Never been in a house that caught fire, either. Smoke detectors and extinguishers are still worthwhile investments. I hope you are only risking your own smelly carcass.
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  26. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    How does that follow?

    Does it now?
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  27. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    Smoke alarms and fire extinguishers aren't designed to kill people, genius.
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  28. Thoughts and Prayers

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    The night is young.
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  29. steve2^4

    steve2^4 Aged Meat

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    Including alternatives to owning a gun...
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  30. Uncle Albert

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    Sometimes shooting someone SAVES lives. You can either acknowledge this fact or live in self-delusion.
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