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  1. Tuckerfan

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    It didn't even stop Picard, who had a bigger stick up his ass :async:

    Kate Mulgrew has stated she put an end to it because she understandably had concerns about the first woman captain being defined by her love life. Given how T'Pol and Tucker turned out when Berman got his mitts on them, she was right to be concerned.

    There's still hope for them to get together in Prodigy, I suppose :shrug:
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    For the record, Troi performed an almost textbook emergency landing under extremely difficult circumstances. She deserved a commendation for all those lives she saved.

    If we're going to be pissed at anyone it should be Riker for letting the Federation flagship get taken out by a single ancient bird of prey. Saying "fire everything we've got" would have led to the Duras sisters being obliterated in under a second.
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  11. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Random thought: I didn’t watch ST 5 recently , but I’ve been thinking about the line from Kirk;”I need my pain.” Without going into too many details, I’ve been trying to reconcile a lot of my past mistakes/and/or experiences and this line of dialogue really hits for me.
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    It's a good line, but I always thought they blew a major opportunity by not letting us see Kirk's biggest regret. IMO, seeing his pain and then Kirk giving that speech would have given that scene much more meaning.
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    I'm not sure about that. I think that Kirk's deepest pain is the type of thing where actually revealing it to the audience would inevitably be less powerful than keeping it hidden.

    Consider the kind of character Kirk is. Not the green-alien-babe-boinking playboy of pop culture, but the man we actually see on screen. While Kirk is clever, quick-witted and daring -- everything we want an action hero to be -- he is also deeply reflective and keenly aware of his responsibility to the lives he held in his hand.

    What would a man like that regret most, or view as his single biggest pain? Would it be the childhood trauma of witnessing the mass executions on Tarsus IV? Arriving at the Deneva colony just a little too late to save his brother? Collectively, all of the crew members who died under his command? David's death?

    It's sort of the tragedy version of a Noodle Incident. No answer could ever be quite enough.
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  14. Diacanu

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    I would think it would be either Edith Keeler, or David.
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    "By Any Other Name".

    Think I said it before, I think the aliens from season 4 Discovery are intended to be the Kelvans in their real form.

    But here's the thing, refit-Discovery is made of 32nd century tech, and it had a rough and long-ass ride through the galactic barrier.
    How did Connie-Enterprise get through?
    Okay, it was upgraded with Kelvan tech in this episode, but how did they make it in "Where No Man Has Gone Before"??
    Luck?
    Scotty being that much of a fucking genius?
    :chris:
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    The ship was coated with a layer of plot armor. :ramen:
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    I was going to say that, but I was thinking of an in universe explanation. There isn’t one even if Scotty is just that good.
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    I don’t think it necessarily needs to be explained, but I think @Diacanu is right, it would probably be David. It would have made for a great plot line that connects to TUC.
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    It could be a person he watched dragged to their death on Tarsus, screaming and raw terror, and he could only stand by and do nothing. But later something inside said: never again. And that drives him to keep to his ideals and keep beating the odds.

    It's best left as a Noodle Incident, yes.
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    Speaking of TNG being hilariously racist, isn't it weird that the two black cast members started out as glorified extras/tokens/jokes?

    Geordi started out as "ha ha, a blind guy is flying the ship," and he quickly came to sharing the chair with Wesley "The Boy" Crusher. The man was going the same job as the literal child with no Academy training.

    Worf started out as "hey look, there's a Klingon on the bridge." And that was it.

    It's not a great look.
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    The operative word being "started".
    Its a bummer it happened at all, but it got fixed.
    Better it got fixed than not, right?
    The shows that didn't clean up their act just aren't on anymore.
    When's the last time you saw a "Diff'rent Strokes" marathon?
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    I mean, there were a lot of glorified details to go around, that they didn't think through.

    The empathic alien was useless a lot of the time.

    The child prodigy got shoehorned in to save the day a lot, as child prodigies will do in less adult shows.

    Everybody forgot about the navigational whales as quick as they could.
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    While GR definitely intended the juxtaposition of Geordi's blindness with his position as pilot, I don't think he ever intended it to be perceived as a joke.
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    Which, to be honest, was to the show's detriment. :diacanu:
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    Hot damn, it's a miracle, he's alive again!
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    "First Flight".

    Trip- "I'm on Captain Jeffries engineering team".

    There you go, there's the in-universe origin of Jeffries tubes.
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    Even worse is that they were pulling the same shit with ENT 15 years later.

    Society wasn't especially "woke" in the 00s but I remember the predominantly white posters on TrekBBS calling shenanigans on that even back then. :garamet:
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    My head-canon is World War III knocked things back a bit, but yeah....
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    What pisses me off more is out of the human casts, Sato and Mayweather had the most interesting backgrounds of the entire cast. Travis HAD space time under his belt, more so than most of the senior staff. Dude should've been the 22nd century Beckett Mariner dragging Archer left and right. And Sato is basically translating on the fly, but they did absolutely nothing with either.

    Granted, Anthony Montgomery has all the talent of a door knob and probably got the role as a nepo kid (grandfather was jazz musician Wes, and I've heard he's gone into music production since wisely leaving acting), but still.
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    True, but Travis' experiences were on Warp 2 ships - he'd probably visited more worlds than the others, but not that many. At warp 2 (even with the "speed-of-plot" warp factors the shows use) it would take months to get somewhere the NX-01 could go in a week. Much of his experience would look like that Lower Decks ep where they all had free time due to a long warp journey - and THAT was only 12 hours whereas if they stuck to the warp scale as per the Tech Manuals MOST interstellar trips would be at least a day even at Warp 9.
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