Could easily go in the Trump supporters Are Racist or Trouble In America threads... Paladin agrees and might show up to defend it:
"Well, see, if you don't count the people who we work the hardest to fuck over, our state's quality-of-life numbers don't suck quite so much." Combined with Mitch McConnell's "African American voters are voting in just as high a percentage as Americans," it's pretty clear who should count and who shouldn't according to the GQP.
if we had trusted the prevailing view of the community, Pleasy v. Ferguson would still be a decision in good standing. And while we don't know with any certainty when the potential off-spring is "a life" with legal rights, we DO know that during every single second of the process, from ejaculation to delivery, the OTHER human involved here IS a fully formed life endowed with moral agency and (supposedly) legal rights and in the absence of some clear objective evidence for the reality of a second person to be considered her, the one we DO know about objectively should prevail.
And yet... Effectively, we manifestly don't "got" that in at least half the country. Or in the country as a whole.
We know that at some point, the situation changes from one human with rights to two humans with rights. And you can't justify depriving that second human of rights by reason of ignorance.
Sure, but at that point you could present adoption as a viable alternative if the pregnancy is not dangerous or damaging. Women who give up a healthy pregnancy at that point would have to be one in millions. Then, to actually think about your stupid example, do you really want a woman who has been pregnant for 8 months and than flippantly wants to abandon the child so much that she would go through a partial birth abortion actually caring for a child? Is that mom material to your dumbass? That seems to me like dodged a fucking bullet time. That would not be a caring, responsible, or capable parent.
That is what it is coming down to. It is sort of like how the guntards say you will have to take their guns from their cold dead hands. Are you really going to start a fight over some kid getting HRT or some woman having an abortion? If we are going to start fighting over a woman's right to have an abortion I am going to get my bat and while she is going inside to get her abortion I can have my fight. Because you are going to have to watch everywhere to stop this shit, and WTF happens to anyone who gets in a drug dealers way? Just move the fuck along and shut your mouth because criminals do not have as much to lose as you do. There is a lot more caring for women in the underworld today. When they did prohibition they empowered crime. The drug war has empowered criminal enterprises all over the world. Prostitution is another way crime is empowered. Do you really want crime to have abortion profits too? Think about it, children cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. How much is an abortion worth so you do not get saddled with that? Women have money now. Look at how much they spend on their hair. You think they won't ask around the neighborhood for someone to do a safe abortion and learn how to do safe abortions? Have you seen what they do with hair? This is an outpatient procedure. We now have the internet which will be full of how to videos. You are not banning this shit anymore in the day of information.
ignorance? Wow. You are suffering that ... Krueger whatever affect, aren't you? The only ignorance happening is people believing a fertilized egg is a human.
https://www.healthline.com/health/pregnancy/how-many-weeks-is-it-safe-to-give-birth So at 28 weeks would be when that situation changes... If the health of the mother is in danger after 28 weeks the baby can be delivered by cesarean section, potentially saving both lives... Before 28 weeks, sorry "kiddo", your moms life is more important...
what "ignorance'? we know at what point a fetus becomes a viable, potential life. unsurprisingly, >80% of pregnancies are terminated prior to that. just about any afterwards are a matter of losing one patient or both. now, if you want to start killing live women to ensure the supply of severely handicapped preemies who's short lives will be filled with suffering...
As long as they are liberal women who want equality that last line is @Paladin 's wet dream. You just made him cum by typing that. Someone get Paladin a mop.
Conversely if you ONLY count African American women then the maternal mortality rate is higher than some Sub-Saharan African nations. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7384760/
Which is entirely consistent with Roe and Casey and would not require the overturning of either. Why are you postulating hypotheticals which have nothing to do with the decision at hand?
I don't know what you are playing at, but the most common abortion laws under the terms of Casey allow third trimester abortions only for the life/health of the mother or non-survivable fetal deformity. While there are absolutists who, as a matter of principle do not think the government should have a role even then (parents and professionals being central) but as a political matter, it's not viable notion on the left so why even discuss it?
actually we can, because we would be obliged not to sacrifice the known rights of the known individual.
