Sarah Palin prevails against her Democratic Harasser

12345?! That's amazing, that's the same combination I have on my luggage!

I'm not sure how that qualifies. First she's ticked that they didn't photoshop her enough and supposedly emphasized her wrinkles and exaggerated her blemishes. Then, she gets mad that they used a picture of her she had taken for a fitness magazine.

How were either of those sexist? I'd really like to know. Enlighten me.

I know you weren't asking me but perhaps I can help. What variety of enlightenment are you seeking?

I guess I'm looking for specific examples of blatant sexism against Clinton and Palin in the mainstream media.

I can offer an easy one for Governor Palin. There were more than a few criticisms of Governor Palin seeking the office of vice-president while having young children to care for. While Senator Obama, seeking the office of president, was never called out for having young children of his own.

As for Mrs. Clinton being a victim of sexism, well, there may be a case to be made but I'm not making it.

The flip-side of that is that, while there were a few examples of that, there were at least the same amount of examples where Palin being a wife and mother should be counted as an asset among her qualifications.

Let's remember what Palin herself said when similar charges of sexism were bandied about by the Clinton campaign.

“When I hear a statement like that coming from a woman candidate with any kind of perceived whine about that excess criticism, or maybe a sharper microscope put on her, I think, 'Man, that doesn't do us any good, women in politics, or women in general, trying to progress this country,' ”

I disagree. Governor Palin didn't run as "a wife and a mother" and why should said status be considered a negative anyway?

So is Sarah Palin each time she tries to use email.

It's pretty hard to deny there's a critical difference between two school aged kids and a brand new baby with Down syndrome.

It's also the case that those complaints simply weren't part of the mainstream media narrative. There were, of course, individuals who as a matter of opinion pieces questioned Palin's decision to run with a Down syndrome baby, but there are always going to be such individuals. The mainstream media ran news stories about how her children were made part of the campaign, but those stories get written about all candidates and their children on the campaign trail.

Andrew Sullivan going completely nuts on his blog that's associated with a mainstream magazine does not make for a mainstream media narrative.

OMG, just stop it!! "Oh it was just individual opinion? "Andrew Sullivan is nuts, but it's just him?" Are you kidding me? Stop lying!! This particular narrative -- that Sarah Palin perhaps should not be running because she has a special needs child -- was indeed mainstream (or at least that was the intention) because it was repeated again and again by several members of the media.

For your information, WomenCount has the record:

"Oh it was just a few people." What a sad way to shirk culpability. Nothing more than the last refuge of a scoundrel.

Why?
What would be the difference if it had been "Sam Palin" instead of Sarah Palin, with a new child with Downs Syndrome? You think that only the MOTHER takes care of a special needs child? What do you think the father does? Just act as sperm donor then move on?
THAT'S sexist of the highest order.

If you can't see the difference between a newborn baby and a school aged child, then there's not much I can do to help you.

Yes a newborn baby is different than a 7 and 10 year old. Make your point.

And don't forget about the critical difference between running for vice-president and running for president.

You're dodging LizK's point here by editing out the bulk of her post. Here have a read:

You tried suggesting that Obama and Palin were treated differently because of sexism.

I pointed out that, because of their childrens differing ages and health concerns, they faced different levels of responsibility, making direct comparisons useless. Apples and oranges.

Liz doesn't have a point other than "SEXISM! SEXISM!" and I've already addressed that.

Yes the children are different. Yet not different enough to justify giving one parent a pass to run for office while vilifying the other.

Really, there is no difference between the two offices yet there is a huge difference between the candidates young offspring?

C'mon bub, that doesn't wash. The differences in responsibilities between vice-president and president are enormous. There isn't an emoticon in existence that can refute that truth.

You haven't addressed LizK's post. In fact you haven't provided much of a counter-argument at all.

Sorry - I don't.
There are some school age children that need as much if not more care than a newborn. And if you don't know THAT you haven't been around many kids.

No you haven't. You haven't told me why it isn't sexist to insinuate that Sarah needed to "stay home and tend that brand new baby" but if Barak had had a new baby, no one would be worrying about him on the campaign trail.

It still comes down to: why is it so different for a MAN who has school aged children or a newborn and a WOMAN who has school aged children or a newborn?
And isn't Obama doing a PSA about how important it is to be a DAD to the kids? Isn't his job pulling him from doing that? What is different if the man is the POTUS or a woman?

You've quoted a sensationalist article written by an organization with an agenda that looks towards digging up such biases that cites two sources without directly quoting them.

No points.

You've quoted an out of date comment, making your entire argument fallacious. No points then. Please try and argue what is current.

Sarah Palin in her book conceded that she was wrong about this and that she admires Hillary Clinton for her tenacity and strength in what was indisputably an all out sexist attack by Big Media and the Big Blog Boys against Hillary Clinton in 2008.

Here is the video link referencing Sarah's comments, from Nov 15, 2009:

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Go Hillary!!!!!! We love you!! Simply the best.

Being completely honest here, if you're raising a child with Down Syndrome, and you want to do it right and make sure they grow up to be able to be fully integrated into society, you don't have time for a job in the early years, let alone being a vice president.

So no, I'm gonna have to veto you there, a newborn with down syndrome is far and away a huge difference than a normal 7 and 10 year old.

Yeah, it's not like she has a spouse or anything.

Palin flip-flopped because it was politically expedient to do so. This is what she does. She plays up the victim mentality to garner sympathy. I'm shocked that someone as smart as you has fallen for her act so easily.

Of course he's fallen. He's not smart enough to tie his own shoes.

Because Obama would never play the victim. He'd never oh, I don't know, try to blame Bush for things 1/4 of the way into his term.

Please indicate where I said Obama would not flip flop or play the victim. Pointing to someone else's bad behavior to justify similar bad behavior is poor reasoning and is a lazy man's argument.

Try again.

I don't see why all the left is whining about Sarah Palin. Eventually, their guy "won". (and subsequently, America lost. )

If Palin ran for office doing what she did with Alaska, i.e. cut socialist spending programs and stamp out corruption, she's be a good candidate based on that alone. It's time the bloated government got a swift kick in the balls and woke up.

And she'd resign halfway into the term, so no problem.

Seriously, though, she's not going to run for President. She's making way too much in personal appearances, book deals and pundit shows to take a pay cut.

And where do you get that she stammped out corruption? The woman was corrupt herself! She conducted government business on a personal email account to circumvent state record keeping laws. And have you forgotten about Troopergate? She left because she WAS corrupt and was on the verge of getting caught.

While true that she was corrupt and caught essentially red-handed, Palin left office because the Alaska Attorney General told her that going on a book tour while being governor was more-or-less out of the question.