Seattle now has its first warlord. Congrats!

despite the fact that statistically the odds of getting killed by a cop are 1 in 1,000 under the very worst of conditions? Tell me that's not irrational.

Assuming your figures are good that's really very high and it only refers to the odds on being killed.

Falsely arrested, beaten up, sexually assaulted, harassed, threatened? Do those things not also induce fear?

Crack news team you've got there, Fox.

That film is the gift which just keeps on giving!

I didn't believe @Marso about how serious this CHAZ warlord thing is, but after taking a look at these photos from CHAZ, I'm convinced:

Oddly, FOX is silent on seeing the violence inherent in the system.

Speaking of FOX:


Fox News Pulls Doctored Pics of Seattle 'Zone'
The media giant says it 'regrets these errors'

Not with the Sons of Liberty.

I don't support authoritarians and I'm not that religious. Try again.

like your Randian interpretation of libertarianism isn't both?

Are you genuinely this naive?

Do you honestly believe the events which formed your country were somehow exempt from the universal realities of human nature?

It was a violent, chaotic, time just like any other rebellion. Pretending otherwise does you no justice.

Show me where the Sons of Liberty burnt down buildings and looted.

https://www.bostonteapartyship.com/sons-of-liberty

That is not the same as opportunistic assholes stealing tv's, burning down low income housing, burning stores destroying whole cities and the like. They specifically went after government officials, not fellow colonists and shop owners. You don't see me complaining about the police cars being burned down. Burning down that Wendy's in ATL doesn't help the cause.

It would be hopelessly fantastical to imagine this was the one exception where those things didn't happen. Why would it be? What's different in this one case to distinguish it from thousands of other violent protests?

I explained the difference already.

1/4 Americans killed by a stranger are killed by the police.

and those police killings include justified shootings along with unjustified shootings AKA "murder" "manslaughter" "homicide" etc. Just clarifying your statement.

To a reasonable approximation this appears to be true, although one quarter may be a more accurate figure

The total number of murders in the US for 2018 is 16,214, according to Statista, and this roughly agrees with data from other sources.

The US Department of Justice says that approximately 80% of murder victims know their killers, meaning that around 3242 people were killed by strangers.

Recent statistics for police killings are harder to come by, but various sources indicate a rate of around 1100 for the years 2015 and 2016, and no indication that this would have changed significantly in 2018. Statista gives 967 people shot to death by police in 2018, but excludes those killed in other ways (George Floyd would not be included).

Taking 1100 police killings and 3242 people murdered by strangers, then we can conclude that the number of people killed by the police is about one third of the number of people murdered by strangers.

There is a statistical wrinkle in that the people killed by the police were (virtually all) not considered murder, and so do not appear in the figures for murder. A better calculation would be to add the number of stranger murders to the number of police killings, giving us 4342, of which one quarter were killed by police.

Note that the figures of police killings includes those where the killing was justified.

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/...mericans-killed-by-strangers-killed-by-police

I would note that ‘justified by the police’ doesn’t mean they were actually justified. Just that the system said it was okay.

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/...mericans-killed-by-strangers-killed-by-police
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019...s-gun-violence-racial-bias-crime-data/595528/
https://killedbypolice.net/

During a series of protests linked to the Sons of Liberty, colonists burn and sack the house of the Massachusetts lieutenant governor, Thomas Hutchinson.
I suppose the motives of every colonist who participated in that kind of violence were totally pure and didn't involve any opportunistic looting?

Like I said, that was the tax man, not Target. A little more justified.

In your mind. I'm sure the King had a different assessment.

Don’t care what the king thought. Queen Freddie the first on the other hand...

History is written by the winners. Had the revolution failed, the American troublemakers would be historically on a par with the Sepoys and Boxers.

Doesn’t make them wrong.

No you didn't.

I can think of no other instance where a violent uprising was not also associated with looting and crime. You have given no reason to alter that position.

We know the revolution was characterised by violence and anarchy, much like recent events.

No one said it does.

It makes them and the circumstances remarkably similar to BLM and the protests.

Point of order: Target's CEO said the store can/will be rebuilt, and was siding with the protesters.