Shatner Leaks Trek XI Details

EIGHT Voyager episodes?!!!?

There's not one in my top 50.


Dff'rnt strokes I guess...

Why would you include a clip show?

I'm going through all my VOY tapes this week (Dislocated my shoulder, so I have nothing better to do) trying to see which ones I'll transfer over to DVD...I'm fiding that a lot of ones I really enjoyed about five years ago when I recorded them in syndication (and still new to the fandom) just fall flat in retropect. "Real Life" and "Critical Care" were two of my biggest fave that have made me go . In fact, I'm pretty up in the air about all the Doc episodes I have saved.

Perhaps I've been spoiled a bit from TNG and DS9...hell, even ENT's last two seasons have raised my standards significantly.

How did you manage that?

^Slipped on the stairs in my house. They're kind of slippery to start with, but I had on houseshoes with no traction and was running down the steps to get to the door. The fact that I've pulled this shoulder out of socket before nine years ago certainly didn't help things.

At the very least, I'm grateful that my job was seasonal [-]even if I only discovered this a week ago[/-] and I was only missing three days' of work.

At least I'll be legally old enough as of today to drnk the pain away

*Time to bump a old RR thread of mine *

Timmy, cut the crap.

Because of the relationship between Spock, Pike, and Kirk. Storytelling my friend. That "clip show" actually manages to capture TWO compelling stories - the one told by "The Cage" AND the story of Spock's interest in honoring his captain and friend.

AND it was a damned cheap episode to make. Hell, in the end even Commodore Mendez was an illusion, so they didn't even need a guest star.



I'm confusing reality with fiction again, aren't I?

The Menagerie was a vital episode.

It established that Spock's loyalty and affection for Captain Pike was arguably even stronger than his to Captain Kirk, and that he was willing to risk all and act in a completely nonVulcan way in order to protect his captain.

And it made you wonder, just what events took place those years on the Enterprise that caused Spock to develop such a fanatical loyalty and dedication to Captain Pike.

I'm sure Anna could find a slash fic to explain why.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

No, she couldn't, because Kirk/Spock slash is

I'm more of a het reader anyways.

But Anna...your signature...

Oh God...the horror...the horror...

^Why do you think I snarked that over at Godawful Fanfiction?

I just can't see a pre-Enterprise Kirk/Spock storyline. I was always under the impression that those two did not meet until after Kirk assumed command of the Enterprise. After all, Spock served under Chris Pike for how long? And Kirk was on the Farragut for how long? We've never had any reason to suspect that they knew each other before Kirk became his commanding officer.

I miss Soma's old sigline. It was delightfully bad.

I don't know.

I remember for years, a number of fans (and novel writers) assumed that because of Kirks statement to U.S.Air Force Capt. Christopher in "Tomorrow is Yesterday" in reference to the Enterprise "There are only twelve like it in the fleet"....that meant there were only twelve ships in the entire Starfleet IN TOTAL!

Hey that sounds like the way the British Navy is going today.

I suppose if someone claimed that Starfleet only had 12 starships that it would be very likely that everyone who served aboard one knew everyone else.

Or it meant there were 12 Constitution class ships in service.

I always took Kirk's statement to mean exactly that.

It seems reasonable that Starfleet also had ships for science, transportation, freight-hauling and perhaps smaller fighting vessels. Well-regarded (though, admittedly, non-canonical) sources seem to bear this out, with the Constitution class being merely the biggest and best starships in the fleet.

They're not gonna roast marshmellons and sing "Row Row Row Your Boat" are they? Cuz I don't think I could take that again.

We saw other types of ships in TAS.
Cool ones.

Hell, TAS fills in virtually all those missing little "things we wanted to see in TOS".

Make it part of your canon and get it over with people.

Agreed. That is some sick and diseased shit, comparing TOS to VOY... Christ.

Star Treks first season was probably the best season of science fiction ever on the air.

Out of more than two dozen episodes, there is arguably one and only one clunker. And that is "The Alternative Factor"

Don't forget Miri and Shore Leave...

But yes, I've seen most of those season 1 episodes and they are rather good. Not the best season of sci-fi, though. The best of TOS, but not the best of sci-fi or even Trek. I'd say seasons 4-6 of DS9 were better (either taken as a whole, or as three separate seasons).

The Muse was probably the only really bad episode from all three of those seasons, and that was only because Lwaxanna Troi was in it.

Okay, here's another way I'd shoehorn Shat into Trek XI.

Screw technobabble, make it all right, use Q.

Q plucks Kirk out of the timestream just before he hits the ground in Generations.

Then he plucks Picard out of time right after Nemesis.

Then, he pastes them back in just after "all good things...".

Have him chide them just before he goes that this is how they were supposed to use the Nexus.

Then, with Picard's foreknowledge, he nips Soren, Ruafo, and Shinzon in the bud before they start their crap, and forewarns starfleet of the Borg invasion, and erases Generations, First Contact, Insurrection, and Nemesis.

Then, contrive some way Kirk flashes back to the young Kirk stuff that makes up the middle of the movie.

Then, have Kirk comment on how he never understood how he survived the one in a million odds in that adventure, and then Q comes back, and sends old Kirk and Picard back and they save young Kirk, and fullfill a predestination paradox that got temporarily fucked up by Generations.

Ta da.
Shatner, Q, the next gen movies redeemed, Trek rebooted.

Then it wouldn't be a TOS movie, would it?

Am I the only one who's avoiding any and all rumors about Trex XI? I refuse to get angry or excited about something that isn't set in stone yet.

The meaty middle bit of it would be.
I only outlined the bookends.
Would only take up 15 minutes of screentime tops.

Of course, my scenario only points up how hard, and therefore ridiculously contrived it would be to shoehorn Shatner in after they've killed him.

Either they gotta ressurect Kirk with Q magic, or technobabble, or set the flashback-bookend in between TUC & GEN despite Shatner being over a decade older.

Or the Shat could just stick to Priceline commercials and Boston Legal.