Shatner Leaks Trek XI Details

I'm still hoping that all this talk about a TOS or pre-TOS movie is just the producers and writers throwing out red herrings, so when we see a trailer for the DS9 movie we all splooge in our pants.

At last! A Star Trek movie with built-in appeal for a broad, general audience!

I'm not going out of my way to avoid rumors, but I'm not working myself up over details, either. Neither Berman nor Braga will be involved and that's good enough for me right now.

I dunno, at this stage in the game we generally knew what the bare skeleton concepts for Generations, First Contact, Insurrection, and Nemesis were.

Hell, it turned out everything about "series 5", we heard since the ending of Voyager was pretty much dead on.

But why? WHY?? Occam's Razor works in movie scripts too--moreso in my opinion. For my money, that is the problem the TNG films have--they've got 90-120 minutes to tell a story, but they decide to shoehorn in all kinds of extraneous crap that the story doesn't need.

Screw bookends. Take the 15 minutes that isn't needed except to justify stoking Shatner's gargantuan ego and use it on telling a tight, solid story.

Well, I know, and agree.

But given it looks like it's gonna happen anyway, just tossing out ideas that'd...well....suck the least.

Berman and Braga actually had a good idea for this new movie. Set it during the Earth-Romulan War with a crew we'd never seen before.

They would have fucked up tremendously, but I wish someone more competent had run with that idea.

Latest rumor, red herring or whatever...Ray Liota will play Pike.

I shit you not.

Okay, some of us have had that on our Wish List for years, but still.

Suggests to me that it's no more real than any of the rest of this stuff.

Seriously, IMO the studio's doing the equivalent of a great big focus group, only without having to pay people. They're throwing everything out there and seeing what sticks.

Well, in that case, I'm sorry for some of Enterprise.

Although, I maintain it would have come off better with me at the actual helm.

I think that would...




...work just fine.

I will die happy if the movie starts with Liotta saying "As far back as I can remember, I wanted to be a starship captain."

Could be something as simple as Kirk strolling the grounds of the Acadamy and coming across two students who are discussing his TOS adventures with awe and the go into "hero worship" mode when they see him and, in the course of the conversation he mentions he used to read about the adventures of Garth of Izor the same way and begins to tranistion the narritive into a massive flashback which constitutes the new movie...surely creative makeup and camara work - even some CGI if necessary - can hide Shat's advanced age during what would be a very brief bit of screen time...

Why does everyone feel its necessary to shoehorn the Shat into this movie?

If you want to recast the Big Three, better to make a clean break and just do it.

Duh! Wait, I got it.
When Picard prevented the Veridian star from exploding, it prevented him getting sucked up by the nexus and meeting Kirk, making a paradox, and thus there's a time-copy of Kirk still alive in the nexus.

That Kirk could easily wish himself back in time.

Tada.

I always forget about that spare Kirk.

I must say that Liotta as Pike would kick ass.

Shit, that's right, there's been talks with Nimoy too.

How to squeeze Spock in?

Ugh, I give up.

Wake me when there's a script.

Oooh!! Y'know what'd kicks ass?

No matter how they figure out to explain their presence, the first scene should be Shatner & Nimoy as Kirk & Spock playing 3-D chess to mirror the first secene of "where no man has gone before".

Bring it full circle.

Haven't we had the "Ray Liotta looks a helluva lot like Jeffrey Hunter" discussion once already? I swear I've heard this before.

^ Surely the last scene, no?

Good point.

I'm sorry, I only Watched classic Star Trek, I don't understand all these others; VOY, TENG, DZP, sorry, none of these ring a bell.

Just have Kirk and Spock meeting with some cadets and then tell the story of their first adventure.

You aren't missing much.

Though actually, ST:TNG and DS9 had just about as many great episodes as the original series Star Trek.

The difference is it took them 7 years to produce them rather than 3 for the originals.

Okay, reality check. Hire Shatner and Nimoy and you've blown your budget. These guys have what is known as Favored Nation status. I.e., whatever Shatner gets - $63 billion plus points plus creative control plus first dibs on the craft services table - Nimoy gets as well.

Unless they're going to pay each of them a fee and residuals for CGI'ing some old footage of Kirk and Spock into the story, you're not going to see either, much less both, of them onscreen. Even voiceover's gonna cost you.

Dubious at best.

And, yes, the Ray-Liotta-as-Pike thing has been bandied around since at least Field of Dreams.

Well, unlike most fans, I'm completely cool with a re-booted cast if it's done right. I don't NEED to see Denny Craine take another stab at Jim Kirk at his age.

I was just speculating IF they tried to shoehorn him in, how to make it gentle.

The whole thing I proposed earlier about "Mr. Midshipman Kirk" doing his field tour while at acadamy on a starship would be all the sweeter if it took place on Pike's Enterprise with RL in that role.

All of this sort of reminds me of anticipating Batman Begins or Superman Returns....you can hear all the buzz you want but it all comes down to execution. You can have a truckload of good ideas and still produce a mediocre film.

Just saw Ray Liotta today in Smoking Aces, and time is running out if they want to use the guy as Chris Pike. Either that or the dark hair dye and makeup...

True...if he gets any older he's going to have to play Pike from 'The Menagerie'...