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Discussion in 'Camp Wordforge' started by Elwood, Mar 29, 2009.

  1. Elwood

    Elwood I know what I'm about, son.

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    ...I thought I'd just jump in with some gun porn I wanted to show Paladin in response to a post that was lost.

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  2. Marso

    Marso High speed, low drag.

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  3. Volpone

    Volpone Zombie Hunter

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    They're almost identical. Why would someone want two of the same Airsoft toy*? :huh:










    *Because I know you don't have any real guns. Otherwise the Obama (praise His name) would come for them. :?:
  4. Ash

    Ash how 'bout a kiss?

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    I don't wanna derail this awesome thread, but I really need someone to explain something to me. Is it really worth having all that fancy gadgetry attached to a perfectly good weapon? What ever happened to good ole iron sights? All these crazy optics and attachments make the weapon look bulky and unwieldy. Is it really worth the expense? I honestly want to know, cause I've been thinking in investing in an AR-15.
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    frontline Hedonistic Glutton Staff Member Moderator

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    Short of the long, Optics is where its at and it aint a fad. You get a better, quicker target acquisition with quality optics (Trijicon ACOG, Aimpoint, EoTech*) than you do with iron sights. That means your chances of hitting what you are aiming at are a whole lot better. Irons are now backups to the optics forever more.

    Looks be damned! Rails until recently were the only way to effectively mount the fore grip and a light. The fore grip (some called it a gangster grip) allows for a different holding position that I personally find to be more stable for offhand shooting. The light is a great attachment to use to confirm or blind the bad guy / target. Most rails** also have the added benefit of making the barrel a free float barrel, which means greater accuracy. Finally some rails (like the Daniel Defense line) give you a monolithic rail platform that allows you to mount what you want with out having to worry about your optic falling off.

    Now the newest option for a set of rails arent really rails at all. Magpul makes a new set of hand guards made out of the same material that their magazines are composed of. You can add a fore grip and light to them.

    Though you can mount a light to the standard hand guards its not suggested. It is highly discouraged to jury-rig a fore grip to the standard hand guards as the plastic aren't meant to take those stresses.

    So Optics are hear to stay and the irons are now relegated to the back up function.

    * = Avoid the chi com imitators always, but especially when it comes to optics. The knock offs are made like shit using sub standard parts, soldered points, etc, and will fall apart quicker than a virgin cumming when they get their cherry popped. Just ask Apostle about his wonderful experience. Oh and avoid the UTG brand of products. They are air soft crap that will break on you too the moment you put them to hard use.

    ** = The rails on Elwoods M&P are not free float. They are Troy Industries drop in rails. While not giving a monolithic rail system, they are so tight that they practically free float the barrel. Its a pretty good system and about $100.00 cheaper than the Daniel Defense rails.
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  6. Elwood

    Elwood I know what I'm about, son.

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    Welp...

    That's pretty much it in a nutshell.

    Well, that and I'm much, much, much faster in the target acquisition department with the EoTech than I am with traditional iron sights as I've found it's almost natural to shoot with both eyes open with the EoTech.
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  7. Elwood

    Elwood I know what I'm about, son.

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    There is a downside to this.

    You must remember that your garden variety thug, even an armed thug, is not a "gun person." As more and more law enforcement agencies around the nation adopt tactical lights on everything from their sidearms to shotguns, the numbers of assaults on peace officers and shootings are ever so slightly ticking upward.

    Report are pouring in from across the nation that bad guys that are being blinded by tactical lights think the officer is merely shining a light in their face. They don't understand that said light is attacked to a Glock or Remington 870, so they wager that since the officer's hands are full (one hand on the light and maybe one on the collar mic), he can't stop a bum-rush.
  8. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    That's a bad time to get stupid. :lol:

    By the way, I am thrilled to announce that I am finally--finally!--the proud owner of an EOTech holographic sight (a 517.A65 if you care about such things). It runs on AAs, has the raised body to clear the handguards (which it will not need on mine), and the combo dot+65 moa ruthless maiming circle. Also, side controls for when I get my 3x magnifier. :tasvir:

    Shown in the pics is my gun with the new EOTech and the Midwest free-floats I'm going to install shortly...(need to get a new low-profile gas block)...
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  9. Volpone

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    Yup. When I went to The Basic School a decade ago, Marines tended to look down their noses at optics and visible light gunlights and such. We'd still use IR lights and IR lasers with NVGs in certain situations, but a Marine would not deign to hang a bunch of shit off their M-16.

    Then Iraq happened. And it soon became clear from the house to house patrolling and fighting that optics and flashlights had far more benefits than liabilities. It's even to the point where the infantry bubbas have to rifle qual with optics.
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    frontline Hedonistic Glutton Staff Member Moderator

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    If I can make a suggestion, no you dont. The front sight base is the best gas block out there. Why screw with the best option out there that already is installed? Those taper pins offer the best possible secure mounting there is. What I would HIGHLY suggest you do is dremmel off the the front sight and its supports and leave the gas block portion in place and then sand down / smooth the cuts. Then get a mid-length (9") rail system and put your back up front iron sight on the rail.

    Amazing how life will suddenly change pre-conceived notions. I've also heard that the Army is either in the process of or has already revamped their basic rifle marksmanship program to be relevant to fighting today.
  11. Man Afraid of his Shoes

    Man Afraid of his Shoes كافر

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    I'll play. :)

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    Nothing terribly blingtastic.

    That's a "poor man's" tac light. It's just a Surefire G2 mounted on an offset 30mm kydex ring type deal. It's not fancy, but it works really well.



    For when I feel like rollin' old skool.

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  12. Volpone

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    I'm guessing that Winchester has a lot less birch-y looking stock IRL.
  13. Man Afraid of his Shoes

    Man Afraid of his Shoes كافر

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    Here's a better pic.

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  14. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Funny you should mention that. That's pretty much what I'm going to have to do.

    I got a mid-length handguard (because I like the look more than the carbine length and it's not as heavy as the full-length) and had planned to remove the front sight and replace it with a low profile block (from VLTOR or Daniel Defense) but I discovered I'm going to have a cosmetic/fit problem...

    My estimation says the mid-length handguard is going to juuuuuust extend past where the front sight post is. If I remove the front sight post, the low profile block WILL fit easily but I'm left with (I believe) a cosmetic problem: there's going to be some ugly scars on the barrel where the front sight post used to mount. I need to cover that up somehow because it will be visible from the outside.

    I found a Yankee Hill gas block that is essentially what you recommended--a machined down front sight post that still uses taper pins for mounting. If I can find and buy one of these, I think my problems are solved.

    Maybe. Because there's still one more issue: there is a "trim ring" in the Midwest handguard that gets VERY close to the barrel and it's situated right where the forward collar of the front sight post is. Not sure it's going to fit...it's going to be close.

    If it doesn't, I'll see about dremelling things down. Alternatively, I'll go back to the low profile gas block and, I dunno, touch up the "scar" with some black duracoat...
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  16. frontline

    frontline Hedonistic Glutton Staff Member Moderator

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    BINGO!!!. It doesnt have to be fancy. Making sure you have quality components is not being fancy as you clearly demonstrate.
  17. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

    Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee Straight Awesome

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    This thread is worthless without clearly viewable serial numbers. :bergman:
  18. Ash

    Ash how 'bout a kiss?

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    I guess I'll just have to try it then. My only experience with this type of weapon was in the Army with iron sights and I was able to easily hit targets at 300 meters. It's hard for me to imagine something better.
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    frontline Hedonistic Glutton Staff Member Moderator

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    You'll be converted as I was, as were all the other soldiers and marines out there. Come to the side of light and goodness.
  20. Azure

    Azure I could kick your ass

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    Post more pictures dammit.

    *drool*
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    shootER Insubordinate...and churlish Administrator

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    I'll play. I don't think I've ever posted any gun pr0n here. :unsure:


    [?=AKs][​IMG]

    From top to bottom:

    • Chinese RPK clone
    • Chinese AKM clone
    • Yugoslavian M70AB underfolder
    • Romanian WASR-10
    [/?]


    [?=AR15s][​IMG]

    On top is a Colt AR15A2 "sorta" pre-ban. It has the flash suppressor, but the bayonet mount was either ground off at the factory before they parkerized the metal or they modified their tooling to eliminate it. At the time I bought this rifle, that was about as good as you could get without spending an arm and a leg (I only spent a leg for this one) :garamet:

    The lower rifle is an Essential Arms CAR15 copy. To this day, still the best deal I've ever gotten on a firearm (I paid $400 at a time when AR15s were selling for around $800-850 or more). It's got a 6 1/2" flash suppressor permanently attached to the barrel to make it legal.

    The Colt is bone stock. The carbine had its bolt carrier, stock, recoil spring and buffer replaced.[/?]


    There are more than just these, but I can arm my whole family plus my daughter's future husbands (though, if my wife and I have done our job right, our daughters will marry guys who have their own "assault-type" rifles).
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  22. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    Okay, since we're gonna play "I show you mine, you show me yours..." :diacanu:

    This is virtually the entire Paladin arsenal in all its gunpr0n glory...

    In the first pic, we have the whole shebang:

    (Back row, standing): Springfield Armory M-1 Garand, Century L1A1 (FAL), Remington 870 Security ($300 Big-5 Special!), Rock River AR-15 carbine, Colt AR-15A2 Gov't Model, H&K 91, Federal Ordnance M14S.

    (Next row, center): Polytech AKS-762 (AK-47)

    (Next row): CMMG AR lower receiver, Fulton .308 AR lower receiver, CMMG AR lower receiver

    (Next row, handguns): Glock G20 (10mm), S&W 4006 (.40 S&W), IMI Desert Eagle (.44 Magnum), Taurus M44 (.44 Magnum), Glock G17 (9mm), AMT AutoMag IV (.45 Winchester Magnum), Beretta 92FS (9mm), Springfield Armory M1911 (.45 ACP).

    (Next row): Winchester 1300 (12 gauge)

    (Front row): Ruger 10/22 (.22 Long Rifle)
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  23. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

    Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee Straight Awesome

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    You'd need a damn pack mule to move it all around! Of the lot, which would be the top three you'd most want to have with you when the zombie uprising occurs?
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    Pack mules are for posers.

    Real Operators carry their shit on pack alpaccas.

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  26. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    I'd go for versatility...

    1. The new AR with the EOTech for quick Zombie dispatches
    2. The Remington 870 for clearing rooms of Zombie intruders
    3. The Taurus .44 for those close-range Zombie decapitations
  27. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

    Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee Straight Awesome

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    You know how in many video games, you can't hold more than one primary weapon and one sidearm? Recently the "Perk" in some has been that you could hold two primary weapons after a certain level.

    Well, in the Zombie Mode of Call of Duty: World at War, there is a cheat that allows you to hold as many primary weapons as you have time to get.

    What I picture in a Zombie Apocalypse is Paladin painting himself in all of his Joker glory, and then slinging all of those rifle's on his back. He then finally straps all those pistols in various locations on his person (including THUNDERWEAR!) and then... falls over. :/
  28. Paladin

    Paladin Overjoyed Man of Liberty

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    ^That could never happen.

    :calli:

    Really. :?:
  29. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

    Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee Straight Awesome

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    How many times has it happened? Just stick to yesterday. :P
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    frontline Hedonistic Glutton Staff Member Moderator

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    So sorta like Issac Hayes in "I'm Gonna Get You Sucka"?